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Title: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 14, 2013, 08:42:09 AM
General overview:  Warhammer is the game of fantasy battles using miniture models players have built and painted.  To support the game we are starting a new Warhmmer Fantasy ladder league.  Anyone that might be interested in joining it is welcome to do so.  Players accumulate points by playing the games or can use challenges to advance themselves to the top of the ‘ladder’ league.  When the league is wrapping up the top point and ladder players will duke it out to see who is the winner.  A small fee will be collected for prizes.  There will be a "door prize" just for playing in the league as well as prizes for the winner and runner up.  This league is run independent of recent ComicReaders Warhammer Fantasy escalation leagues and all former rules.  However, this league is still supported by ComicReaders but way of gift certificates and gaming space.  This league ends in 3-4 months conveniently just before ComicReaders starts their next Warhammer Fantasy Escalation League!   The exact date the league comes to a close is June 30, with playoffs in July.

Getting Started:  The official sign up period will be March 15-April 15.  Please join the league at any time by posting your name and the army that you wish to use and I will add you to the list.  There is a minimal charge of $5 and this will go to prizes at the end of the league.  ComicReaders is collecting the league fees so please drop off your money in cash.  Note that it must be cash, not debit or check or anything like that.  Alternatively you can give your fee to Robert to hand in for you. 

Players must choose one army to play for the duration of the ladder league unless playing in a special event (special event details below).  Players can change army lists and game point values from game to game.  When both sides agree, players may also choose to play scenarios from the book, special scenarios from the big book, pitched battles, Storm of Magic, run a mini campaign, a mega-battle, a siege, etc.  It is suggested that players try to build up to, and play games at the 2500pt using the basic rulebook’s army composition.  League finals will be suggested to be played at 2500pts.

Location: Games can be played at any location.  ComicReaders Downtown has offered up room in their store.  Space is generally available during store hours with the exception of Friday evening and Saturday.  Call in advance to book a spot if you’re playing at the store. 

Point structure: League points are earned by playing games.  A crushing victory yields 8-2, victory 6-3 and a tie 4-4.  The players can also earn a bonus point by: playing a fully painted army +1, ladder challenge battle +1, or playing at ComicReaders Downtown +1.  Players will receive a cumulative -1 point for each game that they play the same person to a minimum of 2.  Players are also awarded 2 league points for every tournament battle or special event that they attend.  (This season’s special event is FRAGCON running May 3-5).  Players may play any army that they choose for this special event and still receive credit as if they were playing their ladder league army.  Points accumulate with the first and second highest point scores determine who will make it to the playoffs.

In order to further promote the spirit of increased game play, players that play matches involving non league members will still benefit from game count and will receive 2 points for the league.  In addition, players that command a different army from their chosen army will also get 2 points for each game played. 

THE LADDER:   The ladders system was invented to by Scott Radom and is designed to level the playing field between those that can play lots and those that can play minimum number of games.  It seems to be working well for the Ravagign Hordes league in Saskatoon so we will borrow it.  Here is how it works:  Once per month a player can issue a challenge to someone up to three positions higher on the ladder.  If the challenge is successful the players would then exchange positions.  (Note: points are not lost or given up in this way only ladder position).   In addition, each person has a single ‘wild card’ challenge that they can use to challenge anyone above them in the standings regardless of position.  Please make it clear to both players that a ladder challenge has been issued.  The challenge can be played at any agreed point value and in any location.  Inactive players fall to the bottom of the ladder any month they do not play at least one game (excluding March).

League Final: The two highest point totals and the two highest ranking players on the ladder will face off to see who will win the league.  Basically 1st place points plays second place ladder and 2nd place points plays first place ladder.  The winners then face off against each other.  In the event the playoff game played is a draw then the number of games played in the league will be used to break the tie.  The league playoff games will be scheduled by you at your convenience.  It is strongly suggested to play at 2500pts. 

Prizes:  The prizes are divided with 40% going to the winner, 30% going to 2nd place and 30% going in a random draw to a third player that meet the minimum eligibility AND whom didn't win 1st or 2nd.  To be eligible for prizes 4 games minimum need to be played.  Also league fees of $5 must be paid up in advance of draw.  ComicReaders has agreed to double all league fees so the prizes will be gift certificates to their store! Thanks ComicReaders!  (Note: the gift certificate can be used for any product in their store, at their price.  THIS is not the GW credit from previous leagues).

Reporting All battles need to be reported in this forum so that I can keep track and up-to-date.  Remember to count all the victory points as we have to distinguish between crushing victory or just victory.  Also take note if people's armies are painted (typically 3 different colours).  The league is self policing so play fair and report accurately.  Please report battles promptly, thanks!

Other than that everyone just needs to have fun and play fair!

A big thanks to ComicReaders for their help with supplying gift certificates, gaming room and collection of the league fees.

Edited:  March 20/21, major revisions to most paragraphs.  Updated the ladder, prizes, league fees, etc
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 14, 2013, 08:56:57 AM
The ladder... the top two names make the playoffs (position 1 and 2); the top two in Total Points also make the playoffs

Player name  -----------  army  -----------  *MW/W/L/ML/D - GP - Total Points
1 Chris S (Yolanka)            Ogres                        1/2/0/0/1 -     4           25           
2 Justin G (Gallager)            Orc                          1/0/1/1/2 -    5           30         
3 Robert P                        Empire                       1/0/1/7/1 -    10          40         
4 Don M  (squalie)            Bretonnians                 8/4/4/3/0 -   19          50         
5 Barcley (Kingllama)        Daemons                    2/1/2/1/1 -    7           25       
6 Neil G (NSGossy)             Orc                           1/2/1/4/0 -    8           30           
7 Allan L                          Dwarfs                         3/3/0/2/1 -   9           51           
8 Dean D                         Lizardmen                   0/3/0/2/1 -    6           24         
9 Devin B                      Chaos Warriors             1/0/0/1/1 -     3           18         
10 Chris (dirtytrix)           Skaven                        0/1/1/0/0 -    2           10         

*MW=massacre win

Edited (22 times):
June 12 - Chris 8pts; Rob 5pts - all painted, challenge
June 18 - Don 2pts (non-league army); Rob 3pts - painted
June 24 - Don 8pts (MW); Neil 3pts (ML + painted)
June 30 - Barcley 2pts (W, non league army) vs Neil 3pts (L); Allan 9pts (MW, painted) vs Rob 2pts (ML)
July 2 - Chris (D, painted); Justin (D, painted); Don (MW,W,L,ML, non-painted or non-league army, 8pts total); Allan (W,ML, painted)
July 2 - Dean, Devin, and Chris dirtytrix moved to bottom of ladder (no June game)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 14, 2013, 08:58:24 AM
I will join.  Robert Possberg commanding the armies of THE EMPIRE!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on March 14, 2013, 09:33:00 AM
ill be in as well with my ogres... however i am also working on an empire and  daemons armies. not sure if i will manage a game with those guys or not, but ill certainly try.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on March 14, 2013, 02:40:56 PM
Sign me up as ogres.  Not sure if I'll get too many games in while I work on my next fantasy army and also try to fit games in for the ComicReaders 40k escalation league, but I'll still be up for the odd game with my fatties. :)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on March 14, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
I am in with Skaven once again, might as well get some more use out my Decaylings  :excited I would like to play a game of 2k or 2.5k on the 15th-17th.

And might I bring forth an issue to vote on?

Would anyone object to me using Chaos Dwarfs in the next escalation league? It is a legal list, even though some don't know that.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on March 14, 2013, 07:22:02 PM
I'm trying to figure out what to play. I've got an old 6th edition lizardmand army I can rejuvenate. A 7th edition skaven to play with or a dark elf one.
Any one know if any of those are getting new books or models in the next year?

Thanks for pulling the structure together Rob.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on March 14, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
high elves and lizards are supposed to be the next armies. at least according to the popular rumor mill. no idea on a time frame, or further details. DE are supposed to be next year, with the dwarves and brets.

but again... no idea how accurate the rumors are. usually these things are hit and miss with about 50% accuracy.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on March 14, 2013, 08:43:36 PM
Excellent Job Rob!!  I'm in with my "Chaostonnians".

  Maeson, the Tamurkhan Chaos Dwarf, Legion of Azgorh list is an official GW publication and is recognized.  If you have the models to play the army then go for it.

Dean;  High Elves are out next (First saturday of May), then Lizzies, with DE, Dwarves and Woodies early next year.  Brets are rumoured to be almost 2 years away. :(

  Robert, do we pay you or leave money at Comic Readers and how much?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on March 14, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
so who wants to do a 3000pt storm of magic game?  :excited :o :8)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on March 14, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
I tried it.  Loved the extra Monsters you got (Hey, who doesn't loves them some Monsters!)  HATED, the Magic part.  Too convoluted.  Mixed bag for me.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 14, 2013, 10:32:30 PM
I haven't tried Storm of Magic but I want too. 

You can pay the store BUT I haven't quite set that up yet so hold on until next week.  The fee is $5.  I'm just hitting a stretch of shifts so I will need your patience to get this all worked out and set up. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on March 15, 2013, 05:14:43 PM
I am out for Storm of Magic games, but I really want to play on Sunday!! Come on someone sign up!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on March 15, 2013, 07:21:25 PM
Sounds cool , I'll let Dean decide what he wants to play before I jump in , I got lots I can play and wont run Lizards if he is going to
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on March 16, 2013, 12:54:32 AM
Sounds cool , I'll let Dean decide what he wants to play before I jump in , I got lots I can play and wont run Lizards if he is going to

 You have lizards too?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Gallagher on March 16, 2013, 10:11:39 AM
I would like to join, playing Orcs. Thanks again for setting this up!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on March 16, 2013, 03:29:07 PM

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 You have lizards too?
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yeah , nothing super special , just a ton of core i got on the cheap
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on March 16, 2013, 08:56:58 PM
Barcley- you can play what ever. I might slowly get back into lizzies, but my quality of painting and slowness of getting stuff togetheer shouldn't stop you from doing them.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: NSGossy on March 17, 2013, 10:00:34 PM
Count me in. Orcs & Goblins
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lareina on March 18, 2013, 02:46:43 PM
I unfortunately don't have time to participate in a league right now but might be able to do some fun games here and there. Have fun and see you at the next Escalation League!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 18, 2013, 10:00:38 PM
Thanks for the heads up Lareina.  Good to see most people want to keep playing. 

I will be updating the situation with the league shortly. 

Neil and I planned a game for tomorrow.  So it will be my first attempt at 2500pts of Empire vs his orcs. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 20, 2013, 12:00:08 AM
Neil gave me a good thumping today with his Orcs.  We got started late and had to call it before we got to it's natural end of turn 3.  At this point the game was heavily in his favor 1116/120.  We played at my house and neither army was painted.   Neil 8pts and Rob 2. 

Neil used his list from the recent tournie.  Some of the highlights included:
- Two pistoliers stood tall and held up their flank to the overwhelming numbers of wolf riders.  They were eventually killed but had culled the number of wolf riders from 14 to 4.
- A goblin unit, moved with the hand of Gork, dropped a fanatic into the Empire battle line.  This did approximately 150pts of damage to various units.  Who said that Fanatics can't make back their points!
- The stone Trolls never missed their stupidity test but the empire spearmen did (they were stupid because of the forest).  The spearmen missed their chance to hold up the unit of Black Orcs.   

Thanks for the game Neil!

edited to include the correct point scoring.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 21, 2013, 12:03:11 AM
I updated the entire league structure on page on of this thread.  This included but not limited to updating league fees (who to pay), point structure defined, the ladder, winners and prize division, and Comicreaders prize support. 

I also determined the ranking of the ladder and did this as fair as I could.  If you find yourself lower on the ladder then someone else issue a challenge and see if you can advance.  Remember that challenges carry a +1 point bonus.  Also keep in mind that you only have limited number of challenges. Final note on the ladder, that if you don't play in a month you will fall to the bottom of the ladder.  I also updated the minimum necessary to still be eligible for prizes.   

Now lets get some games out and start playing. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on March 21, 2013, 05:37:55 PM
ola, anyone able to play on Sunday? My house -2500 points. I'm going to use my old lizardmen to see how they go.
I live in nw Regina. 58 litzenberegr cres.
how about 12:30?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on March 21, 2013, 06:31:40 PM
Sorry Dean I am working on Sunday afternoon,

but anyone available tomorrow(FRI) or Saturday for a 2.5k against me Skaven?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 22, 2013, 02:11:49 PM
Maeson, my Saturday plans went away.  So I now have free game time, I can play you at my house at 8PM?   

Sorry Don Sunday no good for me.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on March 22, 2013, 02:42:11 PM
It's a go for 8pm Rob!

Must paint 10 Plague Censor Bearers before then! :excited
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mark on March 22, 2013, 04:06:51 PM
I am just looking at getting into the hobby(used to play my fair share of 40K back in the day) have the big rule book, Codec High elves, Codec Chaos Warriors(what I have now officially started building after much research sadly will not be at 2500 pts in the immediate future) but if anyone is playing at Comic Readers or something I would love to stop by and watch a match or 2 to get the overall flow of the game(youtube videos only get you so far)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on March 22, 2013, 04:44:12 PM
Hi Mark, welcome back to the hobby once again and to the exciting world of Warhammer Fantasy. I am always up for playing a smaller 1k battle to show new players the ropes. Maybe let us know how many points of Chaos Warriors you have if you know how to make an armylist which i'm sure you do. The current league is not set at 2500 points, that is just a recommendation cause most of us like that level of points as it allows for more shiny stuff. I always find that learning by doing is the best way with GW games. I will let you know when I am having a battle at Comicreaders downtown sometime and you can drop in.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 23, 2013, 08:35:34 AM
Hi Mark.  Welcome!  Prince (Maeson) is correct you can play at any point level.  The current list of guys in the league all have 2500pts but if you dont' we are all flexible.  I would like to help you out with a game at CR but it doesn't look like I can make it down there until the end of April (I am working a lot in April). 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on March 25, 2013, 06:09:09 AM
Maeson and I had a game on the weekend.  His rats crushed my Empire.  Both armies were not completely painted so Maeson gets 8 points and I get another 2 points.  If anyone has any tips on good Empire unit combinations...
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on March 31, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
i would like to try and get a game in sometime this week, if anyone would like to play.

also, i am wondering if anyone has bought, or is thinking about picking up a box of forsaken for the warriors of chaos range. i need 2 models from the box - and sort of dont want to buy the whole box for only 2 figs. if anyone is interested in a deal, i would like to discuss trade options, or contribution to the cost of the box in exchange for a pair of figs from the set.

best way to reach me is via PM on the forums here. cheers
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on April 06, 2013, 08:27:45 AM
anyone available for a game on Sunday ?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 06, 2013, 09:39:12 AM
i could play sunday. have we played yet this month or last?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 06, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
i could play sunday. have we played yet this month or last?

You get points for all games played regardless of when you last played.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 06, 2013, 05:43:29 PM
Just a reminder, that now that April has started you can use "challenges" to move yourself up the ladder.  You get one challenge per month (declared and accepted in advance) to move yourself 3 positions up the ladder.  You can also use your wildcard challenge to move anywhere up the ladder (see page one for details).  In addition you get an extra league point for partaking in challenges.

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 06, 2013, 05:45:35 PM
I am gonna show up for Sunday and hope someone is around for a game :)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 06, 2013, 06:00:32 PM
I have plans for a game for myself at Comic Readers vs a non-league WoC player on Wed at 7pm.  I think that we are going to play at 1000pts to make sure we finish.  Is there others that want to come and form some other games?

@Dean and Barcley - have you decided on an army for this league yet?

@Sunday Games -  :-\ I will not be able to come.  Actually I will likely not be able to play the rest of this month (besides the stated game this Wed).  This is due to an exceptional April work schedule.   :-\ 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on April 07, 2013, 11:28:09 AM
Yeah , Im playing Daemons , I still have some things I want to test out

I may not be able to make it untill 1ish , I have some things I need to attend to
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 07, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
 Sorry couldnt make it there is something medically wrong with the right side of my face and neck and I had to go to the doctor, right side of my face and neck is all swelled up like I got sucker punched.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 07, 2013, 07:01:46 PM
Maybe you just got sucker punched? :confused
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 07, 2013, 07:28:50 PM
Maybe I sucker punched myself in my sleep, my family was joking that my mum did , but really there is something wrong with my neck gland that is causing the problem, gotta go back to the clinic tomorrow
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 07, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
Any games to report?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 07, 2013, 11:49:54 PM
I actually played 5 games this weekend with my Bretonnians.

Massacre loss against Dom's Wood Elves.
Massacre win against Darrens Ogres
Win against Nathan's Bretonnians
Loss against Zach's Lizardmen
Massacre win against Carson's VC
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on April 08, 2013, 05:19:06 PM
You can give Mike a win over me , I said Id be there on Sunday I was never able to make it

stupid life and all that

sorry all
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 09, 2013, 05:21:49 AM
Quote
Massacre loss against Dom's Wood Elves.
Massacre win against Darrens Ogres
Win against Nathan's Bretonnians
Loss against Zach's Lizardmen
Massacre win against Carson's VC
WOW, Don nicely done.  Nicely done indeed.  Unless your fully painted, you earned 10pts.

Quote
You can give Mike a win over me , I said Id be there on Sunday I was never able to make it
stupid life and all that
sorry all
I talked to Mike and he said that he couldn't make it to Readers either.  Your both off the hook. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lance on April 09, 2013, 11:42:39 AM
I actually played 5 games this weekend with my Bretonnians.

Massacre loss against Dom's Wood Elves.
Massacre win against Darrens Ogres
Win against Nathan's Bretonnians
Loss against Zach's Lizardmen
Massacre win against Carson's VC
Impressive!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 09, 2013, 09:32:13 PM
Actually, every other gamesday weekend I've got 8 games in.

  Oh, and I'm definitely not painted.  When the High Elves get a new book and models in a couple weeks I'll be going crazy over them.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on April 09, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Unless they are bad , then they will be in the garbage next to my Tzeentch flamers :)

I've heard some very interesting rumours , if they are true you should have lots of new toys to play with
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lareina on April 11, 2013, 05:19:22 PM
When the High Elves get a new book and models in a couple weeks I'll be going crazy over them.

Are High Elves in May?

Sigh, been so busy lately :( At least I have gathered most of the models I need for the next league
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 11, 2013, 07:27:00 PM
It is true, there was a leaked pic of some Phoenix riders and yet another silly chariot contraption that possibly combines a repeater bolt thrower with a eagle towed chariot.

I for one am undecided on what army to play next, normal Dwarfs or Chaos Dwarfs. I want to be able to do CDs justice, but it will take alot of work and they arent that playable at 1k cause of their high points values. Maybe i'll use my Vampire Counts but most people dont appreciate that army cause of how I put it together. So now I am thinking Warriors of Chaos cause I like the fun variety in that range.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 11, 2013, 08:23:40 PM
alrighty! my move is finally complete for the most pat, and i am available for a game saturday. would anyone like to play? i would like to hit the 3k mark, since ive really yet to try out my army at that level, but i can go with a smaller force as well. hit me up via PM
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 11, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
Why would you only need 1K of Chaos Dwarfs?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 11, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
As far as I know the next escalation league starts at 1k, then up 2k does it not? Correct me if i'm mistaken here.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 11, 2013, 09:43:26 PM
This league is not an escalation league.  Generally 2500, but play any agreed point limit.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 12, 2013, 05:58:06 AM
The escalation league they are talking about is the Comic Readers one that tentatively is scheduled to start around Aug.

I played a game vs Devin.  It was unfortunate but we both forgot the necessary game aids.  Tasks such as firing a stone thrower or cannon became a lengthy process... however we persevered.  Devin destroyed 240 worth artillary and I didn't finish off a single unit.  I believe he wins with a massacre??  (Correct me if I am wrong!)  A whole whack of peeps showed up too; Mark, Neil, Barcley and Justin!  And none of them brought aritillary dice  :confused!

I played a non-league member (+2pts), played at Readers(+1pt), and was fully painted(+1pt).

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 12, 2013, 01:23:12 PM
Don I was talking about what army I should play in the next escalation league in June. I have decided now on good old Dwarfs.

Anyone want to have a game on Sunday, 2500 points vs my Skaven?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lareina on April 12, 2013, 07:23:12 PM
As an aside, I'm pushing for a June/July (most likely July) start for escalation since I don't want it too far into Fall in case I'm taking classes. Starts at 1000, going up by 500 each month like before.

Would love to get a game in against people I haven't played with (looking at you Don!) but I don't think I'll have time until May :(
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 12, 2013, 07:53:05 PM
As an aside, I'm pushing for a June/July (most likely July) start for escalation since I don't want it too far into Fall in case I'm taking classes. Starts at 1000, going up by 500 each month like before.

Would love to get a game in against people I haven't played with (looking at you Don!) but I don't think I'll have time until May :(

  I get first dibs!  I now work in Moose Jaw full time, so I'll have to drive in for games.  Just let me know what's good for you and we'll go from there.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 13, 2013, 05:30:15 PM
Stopped by ComicReaders today and paid my $5 league fee so you can count me in.

I won't be able to play often as I'm driving during the week but hopefully I can get a few games in before league ends.

I'll be playing Dwarfs.

-And what's the deal with no one signing up early for FragCon?  The earlybird registration discount ends tomorrow (Sunday, April 14).  So far not even the WHFB hosts are registered!  What's up with that Don? Dean? ::)  Or do you guys have a 'special door' you can slide on the down-low at the Con? :lol  Well, whatever.  Don't anyone complain about GW prices if you can't even be bothered to save $15 to get in the door.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 13, 2013, 05:54:09 PM
Ok, ok - registered!  Allan makes a good point though.  Anyone coming to the event really should register.  There may be a fair sized Saskatoon crowd coming to the event and spots could fill up fast. Have a few new Moose Jaw boys coming also. You'd hate to be the one standing at the door staring at full Warhammer tables.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 13, 2013, 06:04:15 PM
To be sure you're 'in' you need to register at the Frag Website (http://www.reginagamers.com/index.php/convention/2013-registration) AND then also click to register on the 2 separate Warhammer events.  Signing up to get in through the door is not enough.  So far only one of 16 slots has been taken and as of this posting, Don, you ain't it  :neener  - unless you're just moderating and not playing. But really, Donnie, not play??  I hope not!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 13, 2013, 07:37:58 PM
........I knew that. :8)  Yeah - that's it....that's the ticket.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 13, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
Welcome Allan to the league!   :thumb-up You have been added to the bottom of the ladder, updated on page one of this thread.

Just a reminder to everyone that each month you must play and report a game.  If not you loss your ladder position.  :thumb-down
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 13, 2013, 10:14:52 PM
tried sceduling a game in on saturday, kind of failed... so anyone up for a match next saturday? or even sunday?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 14, 2013, 07:47:53 AM
tried sceduling a game in on saturday, kind of failed... so anyone up for a match next saturday? or even sunday?

I wish I could help you out but working...
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: DevinB on April 17, 2013, 05:11:22 PM
Hey, I'm that guy Robert played against last, and he said I can join the league even though it's past the sign up date, so if someone wants to play a game let me know, preferably at Comic Readers. I also don't have enough miniatures to play games that are much more than 1000pt, but I'm working on it. Oh and, it's been a while since I was playing a lot, in fact most of my games where in 7th edition not 8th, so please forgive me for not knowing the rules by heart.  I command the Warriors Of Chaos.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 17, 2013, 05:14:34 PM
Hi that guy that Robert played, are you free for a game on Saturday or Sunday? I am free all weekend after Friday. I play Skaven  :thumb-up
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 17, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
i will be present for games as well this weekend. i am led around by an ogre tribe. sometimes they let me off the leash to pretend im in command... but not usually. :P
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: DevinB on April 17, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
Hi that guy that Robert played, are you free for a game on Saturday or Sunday? I am free all weekend after Friday. I play Skaven  :thumb-up
Yeah, I'm free, well I have something I have to do 5:30 in the afternoon on Saturday but other than that I'm free for the rest of the weekend. Should I pm you questions such as 'when?', 'where?' and 'how many points?' or would you prefer to answer those here? :D
i will be present for games as well this weekend. i am led around by an ogre tribe. sometimes they let me off the leash to pretend im in command... but not usually. :P
Ah, so your army lacks proper leadership eh? Excellent a weakness to be exploited, Mwahaha! :P
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 17, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
challange accepted lol.

im goood for anytime saturday. let me know what time you would prefer. i can do up to 3000 pts, but would prefer 1500-2500 area. 1000 is a doable but a touch low for fantasy.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 17, 2013, 11:32:44 PM
Welcome Devin!  I am glad to see that you have joined.  You asked about league fees... they are $5.  Comic Readers is doubling the league fees so 200% is coming back as prizes!  Thanks Readers for helping to grow our hobbie!  It is best to drop it off at the store.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: DevinB on April 18, 2013, 01:26:50 AM
challange accepted lol.

im goood for anytime saturday. let me know what time you would prefer. i can do up to 3000 pts, but would prefer 1500-2500 area. 1000 is a doable but a touch low for fantasy.
Uh-oh, did not mean that as a challenge, but I did just question your leadership didn't I? Curse my hubris, but it seems I'm in to deep, we shall fight. Although I don't think I actually have enough time to play against 2 people in the same day, so I'll try and play my game with Prince of Arnheim on Sunday. Since he asked first if he wants to do our game Saturday then I may have to postpone our game.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 19, 2013, 06:05:18 AM
challange accepted lol.

im goood for anytime saturday. let me know what time you would prefer. i can do up to 3000 pts, but would prefer 1500-2500 area. 1000 is a doable but a touch low for fantasy.
Uh-oh, did not mean that as a challenge, but I did just question your leadership didn't I? Curse my hubris, but it seems I'm in to deep, we shall fight. Although I don't think I actually have enough time to play against 2 people in the same day, so I'll try and play my game with Prince of Arnheim on Sunday. Since he asked first if he wants to do our game Saturday then I may have to postpone our game.

That sounds fair.  Post the time that your going to be playing that game as there might be some interested on-lookers. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 19, 2013, 12:50:39 PM
I am playing Devin on Sunday,1500, at the store.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 21, 2013, 01:17:52 PM
im hoping to watch a game or two today at 3 to learn a little more about the game. ive been watching alot of games on minwargaming and bluetablepainting but im sure ill learn more by being there. Also i picked up a rulebook to so im not completely retarded when it comes down to the game. need help deciding on which army im gunna use though. anyone know if i gotta pay a cover fee for watching?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 21, 2013, 01:21:31 PM
im hoping to watch a game or two today at 3 to learn a little more about the game. ive been watching alot of games on minwargaming and bluetablepainting but im sure ill learn more by being there. Also i picked up a rulebook to so im not completely retarded when it comes down to the game. need help deciding on which army im gunna use though. anyone know if i gotta pay a cover fee for watching?

  No cover fee and watch as long as you'd like.  Which armies interest you? 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 21, 2013, 02:03:55 PM
sweet :). im having a hard time finding an army id like. they all look fun but some seem more balanced then others :(. I hope everyone participates more soon. i watch half a game of maesons skaven and devins chaos warriors. looks fun. is there anyways i can so people can post their games and  where they take place so i can watch. Maesons input today alone helped me out alot with some questions i had. My girlfriend and her little brother wanna start learning too so any games we can watch would be great. After watching maeson and devins game we went over to tramps and they had 4 40k going at the same time. I wish fantasy had that kind of crowd, It kinda bummed me out but never the less im sticking with fantasy :)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 22, 2013, 06:15:53 AM
I heard some squeaking that Maeson's ratmen crushed Devin's Warriors.  I updated the standings. 

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sweet :). im having a hard time finding an army id like. they all look fun but some seem more balanced then others :(. I hope everyone participates more soon. i watch half a game of maesons skaven and devins chaos warriors. looks fun. is there anyways i can so people can post their games and  where they take place so i can watch. Maesons input today alone helped me out alot with some questions i had. My girlfriend and her little brother wanna start learning too so any games we can watch would be great. After watching maeson and devins game we went over to tramps and they had 4 40k going at the same time. I wish fantasy had that kind of crowd, It kinda bummed me out but never the less im sticking with fantasy :)

Fantasy has a smaller crowd but most of the people playing are very committed.  This month has been a busy month for many of the players: Dean, Mike, Neil, Chris, and myself all have excuses!  When games are scheduled we try to post on this forum.  Players get an extra point for playing at the store (some guys prefer to play there) but games are open to be played in other venues (or at home).  There is a magabattle coming up on May 3 at FRAGCon.  FRAGCon charges a fee to get in the door but Friday (the night of the magabattle) is free.  You will have to look them up for more details... or send your Q's to Dean Dodge!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 22, 2013, 11:39:54 AM
So i finally have crunched some armies down and im stucm between the beastmen, orcs and tomb kings. Now i know beastmens codex is old but are they viable? I know orcs is newer but not sure about tomb kings...feel free to elaborate on some of the armies abilities and what makes them unique. Thanks
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 22, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
every army is "viable" - depending on how you play them. honestly, i think you should pick the one that appeals to you both in fluff and models. keep in mind your model count as well. if you dont want to paint 200 of the same guy, stay away from things like horde units. if your army has a bunch of those, maybe look at something else. read the fluff, background of each, and check out the model range for all the units, then get your lords/heros sorted out grab some core, and expand from that point.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: dirtytrix on April 22, 2013, 04:10:22 PM
Howdy all,
My name's Chris and I just moved to Regina. I'm glad to see there are a few people playing wfb here. I work in fort mcmurray but I will be back every other weekend I have a fledgling skaven army and a massive o&g army. Id love to join in on the league if I'm not too late. I'll be in on Thursday and would llike to get a game in before I leave on Tuesday. Do you play at the comic readers store? Any one willing to take on someone new to the city?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 22, 2013, 07:23:09 PM
@SIdeSwipe - I play(ed) Beastmen up until my recent switch to Empire.  I got them just after their current book came out.  I played most of my games against O&G as Neil and I essentially learned this game together.  I definitely will be commenting on your post when I have more time tonight.

@dirtytrix - Welcome Chris, your signed up!  There are a few other Ex-Sycrude boyz here.  You should pick one army for the league, which one do you want?   
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 22, 2013, 07:34:57 PM
Excited for pro advice :). I think im going tomb kings. Hopefully maeson throws me deal on his still in the box :)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: dirtytrix on April 22, 2013, 07:56:53 PM
@RobertP - Tough choice. I'm going to go crazy here and say Skaven. I may have to play smaller games to start but at least it will give me incentive to get things painted.

@SIdeSwipe - I agree with Mike that you should choose the army that appeals to you in terms of fluff and models. I always found if you don't like the models you won't paint them and then it's just a big waste of money... That being said, I've played O&G for about 8 years and I love the way they play. They aren't for everyone (especially those who want their army to do as you tell it) but they are super fun to play with.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 22, 2013, 09:36:13 PM
Excited for pro advice :). I think im going tomb kings. Hopefully maeson throws me deal on his still in the box :)

I would agree with what Mike and Chris also say that choosing the army that you want is the most important thing.  I don't want to persaude you away from Tomb kings but here is some info:

Beastmen - Well as far as I know I am the only one in Regina that plays Beastmen.  They have a high learning curve so prepare to loose a lot of games!  If you select them I can give you my 3 years of knowledge so that you can by-pass some of the loosing!  Beastmen favor close combat and offensive magic.  Beastmen have very little shooting and they don't wear much armour.  They are semi-horde/horde army.  So that means you will likely want to have at least 100-150 models in a 2500pt game.  Most lists follow this basic backbone: 40gors, 40 Bestigors, 2 shamans, 2 fighting characters and then "chaff" units ya use to pick out the battles that you want to try to win!  A nice thing about the Beastmen is that the Battalion box is 100% useable.  Getting two boxes and your well on your way: 70 models per box!  When people look at Beastmen they think of big monsters but the Minotaurs and larger creatures are just too hard to win with.  This army is for someone that likes to get into close combat and smash face.  The most important special rule for this army is that you can re-roll dice when in close combat.

Orc and Goblins - this army is a horde army.  It has everything and lot of different units. You can customize your list to be heavy shooting or close combat but typically your going to have lots of models that are really 'cheap' points wize.  O&G is the comic relief army of Warhammer.  Built into the rules are 'misshaps' that may happen in battle and the fluff in the book is suppose to be funny.  One of their special rules is animosity.  Each unit rolls for animosity at the start of the turn, if it goes bad the unit does something like fight among itself or firght a nearby unit, etc.

Tomb Kings - I dont' know much about them but Squalie is your guy (Don Matwe from MooseJaw). 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 22, 2013, 09:52:13 PM
Wow beastmen sound great but the minotaurs is what makes them look awesome but theyre useless? Also im hoping for range support for an army. Are u saying orcs army is very versatile? I can go ranged, horde, and elite? Im really looking for an army that hits hard and fast, uses range alot and moves alot. Im reading more and does dark elves fit that profile? I wanted tomb kings cuz their army looks pretty basic, im assuming slow but i know they have ressurrect.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 22, 2013, 09:54:13 PM
I am trying to set up a Thursday game for myself.  I will officially send out a challenge to MikeL.  This would be a challenge on his position on the ladder, 2nd place.  If he was to accept but loose, I take his spot and he drops to my current position (3rd).  We both get extra points for playing in the game too.  Does Mike have time to meet me at Comic Readers at 6:00, Thursday, April 25?

If Mike can't make it I will be looking for another to fall on my guns.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 22, 2013, 10:08:16 PM
Wow beastmen sound great but the minotaurs is what makes them look awesome but theyre useless? Also im hoping for range support for an army. Are u saying orcs army is very versatile? I can go ranged, horde, and elite?

Yes, the Minos disappoint most of the new players as that is why they come... the tradeoff is that the Bestigors are cool looking and hard hitting moe-foes.

Orcs are versatile in making up their army lists.  This can get expensive to get all the different options (which you don't need to do).  A 'normal' list would include a few warmachines, a few horde blocks of troops, heros, and something cool (like a giant spider or Wyvern or some mangler squigs or something)     
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 23, 2013, 12:05:32 AM
thursday my wife works. therefore, if im playing i have to bring my daughters to the game. not impoosible... but ill see about sorting that out. in the mean time how many points?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 23, 2013, 12:09:10 AM
I was hoping for 2500pt, Mike.  thoughts?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 23, 2013, 12:11:22 AM
yea that can work. ill have to see about how im getting the wife to work and what im doing with the kids... but it *should* be workable
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: DevinB on April 23, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
Well, that was short lived, for a few brief hours I was the one with the most points. lol
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 23, 2013, 05:48:01 AM
Mike, I meant to also include in my post above: There is no rush to play on Thursday.  There is plenty of time to get a game in next month.  So don't stress about those kids, I know how it is! 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 23, 2013, 10:03:23 AM
You guys should play sat or sun so i can watch :)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 23, 2013, 10:14:53 AM
saturday afternoon WOULD be a better day - in regards to family. also the kids dont mind coming along to my games, and my oldest might even help, since she wants to learn.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 23, 2013, 12:48:59 PM
Looking for 1 or 2 games this Saturday.  Frag has their monthly Games Day (http://www.reginagamers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=31) (noon-midnight) this Saturday and would like to play them there (lots of space and time to have a good go at it). If you've never attended Frag's Games Day the first visit is free.  Otherwise it's $5 at the door (members get in free).  If you want to play but can't pay the door fee, let me know and we'll work something out.

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 23, 2013, 02:23:28 PM
If I don't end up in Saskatoon this weekend I'll gladly come in for a game or two. Ill keep you posted.

Also, when I have more time I have a few thoughts for the fellow choosing an army.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Malachi on April 23, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
If anyone is interested in Skaven models I have an Island of Blood box where the Skaven models could be for sale...
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 24, 2013, 06:15:44 AM
Looking for 1 or 2 games this Saturday.  Frag has their monthly Games Day (http://www.reginagamers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=31) (noon-midnight) this Saturday and would like to play them there (lots of space and time to have a good go at it). If you've never attended Frag's Games Day the first visit is free.  Otherwise it's $5 at the door (members get in free).  If you want to play but can pay the door fee, let me know and we'll work something out.

Cool, I think that I can make it too.  I suggest that we bring 1000, 1500 and 2500pt lists so that our newest guys and our experienced gamers can all play. 

MIKE do you want to change to this location?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 24, 2013, 07:10:44 AM
im not sure about saturday. thursday works tho. ill take the kids out so they can escape the basement. lol
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 24, 2013, 10:00:14 AM
Looking for 1 or 2 games this Saturday.  Frag has their monthly Games Day (http://www.reginagamers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=31) (noon-midnight) this Saturday and would like to play them there (lots of space and time to have a good go at it). If you've never attended Frag's Games Day the first visit is free.  Otherwise it's $5 at the door (members get in free).  If you want to play but can't pay the door fee, let me know and we'll work something out.

Cool, I think that I can make it too.  I suggest that we bring 1000, 1500 and 2500pt lists so that our newest guys and our experienced gamers can all play. 

MIKE do you want to change to this location?

The different point list is an all around good idea.

I now have a game lined up for the early afternoon with dirtytrix.  I'm still free for a game in the evening at the community centre (click blue link in the quotes for details) for whomever wants it.

SideSwipe83 your welcome to come down and watch if you want.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on April 24, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Lareina and I managed to squeeze in a 1000 point refresher game between her finals and packing for our trip to Calgary.  Magic was the main determining factor, with her getting very few dice each turn and me getting lots, so I was victorious.  Since Lareina's not in the league I think I only get 2 points?  Hopefully next month I'll have more free time to get some games in with actual league members :P.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 24, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Got a second game for Saturday scheduled vs. Gallagher.  This one will be in the evening. 

Since at least 3 of us will be at the Games Day, it would be cool is others would schedule games there as well.  The more the merrier; it's always more fun with multiply tables going.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 24, 2013, 07:36:19 PM
whats the time frame for saturday? also, rob ill see you tomorrow at 6pm @ readers for our 2500pt match.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 24, 2013, 11:10:38 PM
Lareina and I managed to squeeze in a 1000 point refresher game between her finals and packing for our trip to Calgary.  Magic was the main determining factor, with her getting very few dice each turn and me getting lots, so I was victorious.  Since Lareina's not in the league I think I only get 2 points?  Hopefully next month I'll have more free time to get some games in with actual league members :P.

Thank Yolanka (Chris S), was your models completely painted?  You can get an extra point (total 3).

whats the time frame for saturday? also, rob ill see you tomorrow at 6pm @ readers for our 2500pt match.

I will see you tomorrow at 6, Mike.  Best to bring your cannonball deflecting armour as it will come in handy.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 24, 2013, 11:34:39 PM
NSGossy (Neil) gave me a PM saying that he kicked around Don's Bretonian's, on Monday, for a regular win.  Both armies where unpainted and they played in Moose Jaw.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 24, 2013, 11:43:15 PM
Good to see some action on the forum. I am gonna try and make the Gamesday on Saturday even just to drop in and say hello and eat some food  :popcorn
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 25, 2013, 06:39:49 AM
Good to see some action on the forum. I am gonna try and make the Gamesday on Saturday even just to drop in and say hello and eat some food  :popcorn

Bring your models Maeson, I will likely be going too.  I hope to confirm on or before Friday.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 25, 2013, 08:48:45 AM
whats the time frame for saturday? also, rob ill see you tomorrow at 6pm @ readers for our 2500pt match.
Frag Games Days are run on the last Saturday of each month and run from noon to midnight.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 25, 2013, 10:22:50 AM
I wanna come watch these frag games.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 25, 2013, 10:49:53 AM
then come down -> Frag Link (http://www.reginagamers.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=31)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on April 25, 2013, 11:06:43 AM
I can try to make it down for a late afternoon / evening game on Saturday
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 25, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
i could be there on saturday from noon-4:30 if anyone wants a game. ill accept ladder challanges as well.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 25, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
Does anyone here know of the table top game warmachine? Its alot cheaper then warhammer but is it just a cheap knockoff?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 25, 2013, 01:53:12 PM
Darn I work at 6pm on Saturday, I could sneak a game in at 12ish and still make it to my shift, that is, if someone could help me with a ride so I could be back at home at 5pm.

Anyone?

@Chad I don't know much about the Warmachine gaming system, but the models i've seen kinda look like they are based off other games, like, ahem, say 40k for instance, with all the dreadnought type things and all that. I am one of those GW diehards so I would never play it.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 25, 2013, 02:07:10 PM
Ya... It looks like it plays like wh40k anyways. Yuk.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 25, 2013, 04:08:14 PM
40k is still good, it is a bit more dynamic when compared to fantasy with troops deep striking and arriving via reserves, allowing players to attack from all directions. But I agree with what Chris said, the terrain system sounds stupid with placing pieces after picking sides. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN AN IMPERIAL BASTION FALLS FROM THE SKIES AND BLOCKS THE OBJECTIVE!!!! ::)

Alright I am gonna be there at 12-1, Chad is giving me a lift there and back, so I can fit a game in. I will just play whoever is kickin around without a game.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on April 25, 2013, 07:57:06 PM
I'm going to try to sneak over in th eafternoon for a game. I'll bring my 1000, 1500 and 2500 point lizard man army.
I havent broken those guys out since before there were ipods. Seriously.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 25, 2013, 09:24:58 PM
If you're planning to be at the annual FragCon Convention to play in the two big Warhammer events be sure to post your intentions in the Warhammer @ FragCon (http://forums.saskgames.com/index.php?topic=2476.msg12253#new) thread so that the organizers know to expect you.  Better yet, go to the Frag Website (http://www.reginagamers.com/index.php/convention) and pre-register and guarantee yourself a spot.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 25, 2013, 10:33:24 PM
played robs empire gunline today, as per his ladder challange. game was 2500 pts

scenario: blood and glory.

my army consisted of a butcher, SM, bruiser, a big block of bulls, some mournfangs, 4 maneaters, an ironblaster a leadbelcher and a stonehorn.

the Empire brought some demigryph knights, knights of the inner circle, a bunch of archers, a unit of handgunners, a big block of greatswords and some halbreds as detachments. he also brought along a steamtank, a cannon and 2 volleyguns. not too sure on casters, but he did have a mounted priest with his knights, a wizard with his handguns a bsb and a general.

both our armies fortitudes started at 5, with breaking point being 3. so essentially it came down to "snipe the general"

ogre turn one: i did... not much of anything. my magic failed me, my scouting maneaters failed to kill a single innercircle knight, and my shooting was less then impressive. the leadies managed to kill a few handguns, and the cannon just WRECKED an archer.... but failed to wound the cannon behind it. for the empires turn, he shot up some ogres but the most damage he did was to himself, when his steamtank decided to self destruct and inflict some damage to the nearby volleygun, and archer units. i also managed a nice roll on my hellheart and got his wizard to miscast costing him 3 spell levels, and nerfing him to a level one for the rest of the game.

on turn 2, the ogres got some charges off, my stonehorn chased off a lone archer, and the mournfangs smacked into and kicked the demigryphs around.  my ogre bulls however failed to charge, and kinda got stuck out in the open...  the empire response was pretty tough. his innercircle knights charged my maneaters, who to their credit managed to kill 5 of the incoming horsemen, but ultimatly lost the combat - fled and got overrun my the mounted knights.  his volleyguns also did some damage inflicting some pain on the bulls, and his cannon took out 3 of the 6 wounds on the stonehorn.

turn 3 turned out to be the clincher. my bulls charged and beat a unit of halbreds, the stonehorn charged into and crunched the volleygun, and the leadies made alot of noise... the empire counter charged my ogre block, i ended up inflicting some serious pain, but his unit was steadfast and stuck in the fight. that "hold the line!" ability is USEFUL. at this point we ran out of time.

for my end, i killed the demigryphs, the steamtank (although it self destructed... so yay for me? lol) a volleygun and a lucky cannon shot sniped his BSB. the Empire returned with the maneaters killed. my bulls took a few casualties, and the leadies lost a pair of wounds, the stonehorn took half but otherwise i was unharmed. dont have an exact count, but fortitude did not play into it - so VP was the decider and we agreed to a massacare win for the ogres. empire scored 254, vrs the stank+volleygun+demigrpyhs+bsb = ??

for the ladder, i also scored for painted, played at readers, and ladder challange win. Robs army was not fully painted, although the stuff that was looked great - it should be pretty cool to see when its done + game at readers. thanks for the match! looking forward to the next one, and i will also accept all challanges for saturday.

MVP for me, would have to be the ogre bulls. they took the majority of incoming fire, and just pretty much ignored it. most dissapointing... the maneaters just...couldnt kill what they needed to and failed the first check they needed. but the stonehorn also did not really earn his points. so i call that a tie. IMHO the MVP of the Empire would be the inner circle knights. they took 3 volleys of fire from the maneaters, laughed it off, then kicked serious arse in the following combat - then chased my poor avengers unit right off the table. not enough time for them to return and muck other stuff up....but they would have certainly done serious damage had the game gone a few more turns.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 26, 2013, 08:52:46 AM
Sounds like it was a good game and seems like a decent Empire list.  Rob, I'd be interested if you'd give a unit evaluation of you army?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 26, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
I wanted to make a quick comment that I will NOT be able to make it to the FRAG games day this weekend.  I really really want to go but I just can't make it work.  I do encourage everyone else to go that can.  This is the games day that Allan originally posted.  Allan, Devin, Justin have all pledged to go and I think they have set up games.  Don posted that he was interested.  I talked to Mike and he said that we was interested but didn't think that he could find the time.  Neil and Mark told me they couldn't make it.  So are there others that might be willing to go...?  The suggestion is to make 1000, 1500 and 2500pt lists so even if you have less models you can still play.  This is happening tomorrow, April 26!  Post if your going and set up some games.

Secondly, reminder that FRAGCon is coming up May 3-5.  There is the magabattle on Friday night hosted by Dean Dodge.  From what I understand this is an informal gathering, sign up is free, bring what you can up to 2500pts and Dean will make it work.  The 2500pt tournie is Saturday hosted by Don Matwe.  This is a 2500pt, 3 game tournie, there is a charge to get into the door.   This is the biggest Warhammer yearly event in Regina so SIGN UP!

I will comment on the game Mike posted about, as well I will adjust the point later tonight or tomorrow morning when I have time.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 26, 2013, 09:48:10 AM
i WILL be at the frag games day tomorrow from noon to 4:30. i will also bring some terrain, and my battle board. i would like to get a 2500 pt match in, so if anyone is up to it pls let me know, but i do have to be leaving at 4:30 - 4:45
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on April 26, 2013, 10:13:08 AM
I'll be in Saskatoon this weekend.  See everyone at Fragcon!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on April 27, 2013, 08:14:33 AM
Is anyone actually able to stay for an evening game ? I wont be able to be there until 6ish

Guess I can still swing down and see if anyone is there

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 27, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
Sounds like it was a good game and seems like a decent Empire list.  Rob, I'd be interested if you'd give a unit evaluation of you army?
Well it is hard for me to fully say since I don't know tactics all that well, but in this game I stumbled into some.  The best was the Greatswords and the two 9 man unit detachments of Halberdiers.  All three units benefit from the Greatswords steadfast (when within 3" of eachother).  Steadfast was huge when the ogres charged but only killed 8 of the 9 halberds.  Due to this, I got a charge with the GS and a flank with the second halberdiers.  It was great to have the hitting power of both the Greatswords and the halberdiers.  Coming from Beasts, it was nice to finally have multiple, small S4 hitting units (halberdiers) for a relative cheap cost.  With a General of the Empire and a captain BSB the Greatswords are nearly unbreakable.  In the match with Mike they got rocked in the single round of combat that they fought but it should be noted that his unit had a 4+ regeneration spell and my unit had no buffs.  I lost combat by 8 but it would have been much closer if that Regen wasn't there.  This combo will LOOK a lot cooler when I have them all painted!

I took a unit of 9 Inner Circle Knights with Warrior Priest.  There is enough models to take a few wounds, and the warrior priest can make the unit scary with a prayer or two caste onto the unit.  The +1 armour save is really nice when I was faced with a bunch of poison pistol shooting from the maneaters.  Over the turns, the maneaters got off a total of 24 rounds most hitting on 4's but only managed to kill one knight. 

The Steam tank... blow up when it shouldn't have and it's 'kabooma' had a huge impact to my game.  I will have to keep in mind that it needs space!  The Stank left my Demigryphs out matched and they were beat by the morenfangs.  Army builder posted that they only have a 2+ armour save (arming them with Halberds rather than lances) but I believe there armour save remains at 1+.  I will be investigating weather the Knights loose their shields as army builder suggests. 

The Helblaster Volley Guns are not as powerful as I originally thought.  I am really glad that Mike was able to correct me on its us.  Now, I am thinking that the HBVG would be much more useful if an Engineer was assigned to babysit it.  The one question that arose is weather the HBVG suffers from multiple shoots... nothing in the Army book suggests that it doesn't but I will be researching this to make sure!  The great cannon cost the same as the HBVG and is likely a better choice if an engineer isn't supplied.

Mike got 8pts for the win, +1 for challenge his ladder spot, +1 painted, +1 playing at Readers = 11pts
Robert got 2pts for loss, +1 for Readers = 3pts
Mike retains his second place position.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 27, 2013, 11:08:44 AM
Anyone willing to meet me at this frag thing. Im all by lonesome and have no idea what im looking for. Do i need monies?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 27, 2013, 11:24:06 AM
ill be there around noon, just head in and go downstairs. 5$ entrance fee, plus they usually run a snack counter with average prices for things like pop chips etc. they do NOT take debit so kinda warm soggy cash is king.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 28, 2013, 10:59:58 AM
a few things about the game on thursday in regards to the empire.

first, on the demigrphs, you CAN have shields and a halbred, however if using the halbred in combat, (wich they have to because they wont have another weapon) they dont get the shield. so essentially this means they get a 1+ save vrs shooting, and a 2+ save in combat.

the volleygun does NOT suffer multiple shots penalty, since it actually does not have the "multiple shots" rule. even though it does actually fire multiple shots... and alot of them. so your correct procedure for volleygun fire is:
- roll your artillary dice. resolve any misfire, otherwise count shots
- calculate to hit score, using BS, range, Cover. etc. since it cant move and fire, the worst your looking at is -2 for long range and target in cover. otherwise it should just be a -1 for range, and if the poor fool of a target is in the open inside your minimum range....no penaltys.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on April 28, 2013, 12:49:07 PM
Anyone playing today at all?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on April 28, 2013, 06:56:32 PM
KingLlama sent me:
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Hey Rob , I played 3 games last weekend in Saskatoon against just regular guys , do those count ?
had Regular Loss , Draw and Crushing Defeat ..... also had all my stuff painted
Answer: Yes all games count.  You will get 2pts +1pt bonus for each game played.  Total 3 games played with credit for playing in April. 

Dean and Meason both PM'd me that they played yesterday.  Dean won a normal victory, Meason had all his models painted... was there other games to report?  Oh and I was told that Maeson/Chris might be having a game tomorrow, downtown at Readers.  I don't know the time but perhaps they wouldn't mind some watchers??
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on April 28, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
Hi I played Maeson yesterday. My lizards ended up winning. Neither of us was fully painted.
My saving factors were  my leadership and my saurus hero. He helped kill or chase off three units and survived a crap load of magic and missile fire directed at him. My next best element was the two turns where the skaven guns did nothing except misfire or blow up. :D
Our shooting overall was pretty dismal.
I have to re-learn how to play the lizards after playing  dwarfs and empire for years.

Thanks Maeson.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 28, 2013, 10:09:52 PM
My army is basecoated but not based.....
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on April 29, 2013, 09:03:35 AM
Played dirtytrix (Chris) and Gallagher (Justin) this past Saturday at the Frag Games Day.  Both games were at 2500pts.

Got out-deployed by Chris's Skaven and ended up being torn to pieces by a lightning cannon - oh, my goodness, what freaking nasty machine!  Still I hung in there and kept plodding away.  In the end I made two mistakes in my movement when I didn't run down his fleeing clanrats with my Longbeards and didn't bring my miners on against that cannon.  But I didn't realize this at the time (felt like I was losing the entire game) and when we totaled our points I saw that I actually could have won.  But I didn't. So a 6-3 victory for dirtytrix. My Dwarfs were painted.

Against Justin's Orcs & Goblins things went better for me.  A stand out moment in the game was Justin's giant hanging around for 6 rounds of combat before finally falling down and succumbing to the newly arrived miners. But the three key moments in the game were:When we called the game the dwarfs were circling in preparation to take on the Savage Orcs.  It's a unanswered question as to how that may have gone.  So because of my Longbeard mistake I turned what would have been a crushing victory into just a victory. So 6-3 for me over Gallagher.  Both armies were painted.

Both guys were great to play against, really good sportsmen (even if Chris plays with sneaky pink dice).  :D
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on April 29, 2013, 12:42:31 PM
I am playing Chris at 2pm today to anyone who wants to watch a game
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on April 29, 2013, 11:20:19 PM
FYi guys at frag con i will be running a mordhiem campaign. the game will start off just after the fantasy tournament, and use the following. this is a super fun, easy to play and get into game.

- 500gc starting
- all offical warbands ok (no unoffical or experimental)
- fee to enter
- will determine winner by combined warband rating and GC total.

check out GW specilist games resources for free pdf downloads of the rules, roster sheets, and everything else you need. hope to see some of the fantasy group join in.

cheers
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 01, 2013, 05:53:32 AM
My army is basecoated but not based.....
Thanks for the honesty.  Models are deemed to be painted with 3 different colours and based.  This was a rule that was directly borrowed from the previous escalation league.  I will correct the point situation.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lareina on May 01, 2013, 07:17:15 AM
My army is basecoated but not based.....
Thanks for the honesty.  Models are deemed to be painted with 3 different colours and based.  This was a rule that was directly borrowed from the previous escalation league.  I will correct the point situation.

I have since dropped the based part since I am more personally concerned with the 3 distinct colours.

I think I should be free for the most part to play some casual games, I need a fair amount of notice in order to schedule stuff. I know Don will be one of my first opponents when I get back into the swing of things.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 01, 2013, 08:53:04 AM
We should start setting something up now. My wife works Saturdays 9-5 so I can be free most weekends.

Also, Lareina - a personal favour. Could you send me the firm you used in the readers tourney? I thought that may work well for Fragcon. Thanks in advance.

Donmatwe (at) hotmail.com
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 01, 2013, 12:20:58 PM
So I played against Chris's Skaven with my own Skaven on Monday. His hordes were tough to deal with, he had 200ish rats compared to my measily 100ish. It was one of those games where you knew you doomed from the beginning :P Both our Warp-Lightining cannons misfired in the first turn of each side. After that he pretty much just pushed his bodies into victory as I didn't have a good way to set up any counter to the furry offensive. Numbers beat quality this time around.

Chris scored a normal victory unpainted, no challenge was issued

I gained a normal loss with basecoated models, but not based models, so Rob can give me points however he wants there accordingly.

Game was played at Comicreaders!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 02, 2013, 09:09:58 PM
Updated the points so we should be all corrected.  Prince will retain points for painted army, my bad.  Ya just need three colours on your minis and they are painted.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 02, 2013, 09:18:02 PM
I hope that everyone can get to Fragcon tomorrow and Saturday.  My plans changed so I will only be going on Friday.  Have fun and report your games back here!  Oh and someone should grab some pictures!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 02, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
Ill be there around 8-830. I work till then.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 02, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
Ill be there around 8-830. I work till then.
Cool beans, make sure that you introduce yourself to the Beastmen guy (me).  Have you decided on an army yet?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 03, 2013, 07:47:15 AM
Ill be there around 8-830. I work till then.
Cool beans, make sure that you introduce yourself to the Beastmen guy (me).  Have you decided on an army yet?

Yup, just look for the hairy, noisy guy covered in feces - that's Beastmen Rob. ;)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 03, 2013, 09:17:58 AM
Ill be there around 8-830. I work till then.
Cool beans, make sure that you introduce yourself to the Beastmen guy (me).  Have you decided on an army yet?

Yup, just look for the hairy, noisy guy covered in feces - that's Beastmen Rob. ;)
sweet baby jesus...
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on May 03, 2013, 10:24:50 AM
i will be present for saturdays tournament... hopefully my fatties do well! the last time i played the fragcon WHFB tourney i won the thing with my tzeentch daemons.. so i have a title to defend :)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 03, 2013, 11:55:51 AM
i will be present for saturdays tournament... hopefully my fatties do well! the last time i played the fragcon WHFB tourney i won the thing with my tzeentch daemons.. so i have a title to defend :)

 I remember it well.......
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on May 03, 2013, 12:54:28 PM
yea it was so badley OTT looking back im kind ashamed of myself. but honestly, i came into that list purely by accident. i was just trying to make a single god daemons army, and tzeentch apealed because of the cool colors i could paint and basically go crazy on. tried to fit everything in, and ended up with a stupidly overpowered broken box of stale cheddar.

that list would not even be leagal anymore, since i dont think it meets % comps. i had a ton of points in lords and heros, but since it was a "selecton" based ruleset i could do it. not to mention things like kairos and the scribes got hit pretty hard with the nerf bat in this rule set., and the changes to magic made the army obsolete. either way, the tizz army has been retired and intered in its display case. i dont plan on really playing them again.


do we earn points for playing in the tournament? - if we end up playing other league members can the game be made a ladder challange as well?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 03, 2013, 01:19:45 PM
There isn't much that looks better on a table than a mono-tzeentch Daemon army. They got pretty jerked around in the new book though.

  In my experience you would get points for games played, regardless of who and where, but wouldn't count towards league games, ladder challenges, etc because of the random factor of a tournament.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 03, 2013, 02:19:30 PM
Are you serious Mike? You are bringing up a tournament that was like 5 years ago where you won by cheating and by using the world's most cheesiest army, something that had like 26 power dice per turn, an invincible general and 12 Tzeentch Flamers, and on top of that you had a character that took away enemy power dice as if your own magic phase wasn't horrible enough. As if you just ended up with that army, everyone knows you take power gamer lists and that you play to win with disregard to how your opponents might feel after the game. That whole post you just made even sounds like you are ashamed as to what you did. 

And how do you mean you have a title to defend? You didn't even play in the tournament last year. Somebody had to say this......I won the only Hall of Heroes tournament with my Dark Elves 8 years ago when there was still a GW store here, you don't see me bringing that up and rubbing it in peoples faces
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 03, 2013, 02:44:56 PM
Wow, somebody needs a nap.

 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 03, 2013, 03:00:38 PM
Are you serious Mike? You are bringing up a tournament that was like 5 years ago where you won by cheating and by using the world's most cheesiest army, something that had like 26 power dice per turn, an invincible general and 12 Tzeentch Flamers, and on top of that you had a character that took away enemy power dice as if your own magic phase wasn't horrible enough. As if you just ended up with that army, everyone knows you take power gamer lists and that you play to win with disregard to how your opponents might feel after the game. That whole post you just made even sounds like you are ashamed as to what you did. 

And how do you mean you have a title to defend? You didn't even play in the tournament last year. Somebody had to say this......I won the only Hall of Heroes tournament with my Dark Elves 8 years ago when there was still a GW store here, you don't see me bringing that up and rubbing it in peoples faces
*the blood god khorne mudders*..."Soon"...
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 03, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
 :popcorn
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 04, 2013, 01:01:48 AM
 :neener
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 04, 2013, 08:16:17 AM
There was a question about the point structure at FRAGCon. My intent was a bit different then what Squalie posted.  If you go to Fragcon you will get +2 Bonus points.  On top of this bonus you will get the regular points for playing guys.  Thus, if you play a league member you will get W/L points as normal... so keep track!  You get the full points even if you general a different army then what you had originally posted.  Ladder Challenges shouldn't go down largely because both players should know in advance that they are going into a ladder challenge before hand.  Example:  I play 2 league players and one non-league player and massacure all three at FRAGCon with my unpinted army: +2bonus points for playing at FRAGCon, 8pts for the win, 8pts for the win and 2points for the win.

Below is the quote from the first page of the string,
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Players are also awarded 2 league points for every tournament battle or special event that they attend.  (This season’s special event is FRAGCON running May 3-5).  Players may play any army that they choose for this special event and still receive credit as if they were playing their ladder league army.  Points accumulate with the first and second highest point scores determine who will make it to the playoffs.

The Mega battle last night will earn everyone who played 2 bonus points plus the points for playing.  It was agreed to call it a draw right off the start reguardless of what happened.  Thus everyone gets 5 points.  Dean, Allan, Robert, Maeson, Justin Gallager, Devin, and a non-league player Chad (Sideswip83) all played last night.  Points will be added accordingly.  Everyone that had their army painted will get a +1 Bonus point.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 04, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
I killed things :)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 04, 2013, 01:43:17 PM
There has been some unsportsmen like comments as of late and I would ask that everyone no longer comment on these posts.   Comments like this tarnish our league but more importantly they also go beyond.  They go beyond to affect future Warhammer events or they linger with us, as individuals, into different games that we might play. 

For my part, I have been working to correct this situation via private messages.  With that in mind, Mike has asked to withdraw from the league and I will accept his position to do so.  He has sense removed his rebuttal post and I appreciate that he did so.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 04, 2013, 02:06:07 PM
There has been some unsportsmen like comments as of late and I would ask that everyone no longer comment on these posts.   Comments like this tarnish our league but more importantly they also go beyond.  They go beyond to affect future Warhammer events or they linger with us, as individuals, into different games that we might play. 

For my part, I have been working to correct this situation via private messages.  With that in mind, Mike has asked to withdraw from the league and I will accept his position to do so.
i dont know mike very well but its a shame hes gotta leave cuz of a post.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 04, 2013, 03:30:58 PM
So i would come to the tournament today but i dont wanna spend 50 between my girlfriend and I to just watch some warhammer
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 04, 2013, 03:33:43 PM
There has been some unsportsmen like comments as of late and I would ask that everyone no longer comment on these posts.   Comments like this tarnish our league but more importantly they also go beyond.  They go beyond to affect future Warhammer events or they linger with us, as individuals, into different games that we might play. 

For my part, I have been working to correct this situation via private messages.  With that in mind, Mike has asked to withdraw from the league and I will accept his position to do so.
i dont know mike very well but its a shame hes gotta leave cuz of a post.
True beans, there is more which I will keep to myself.  It should be noted that he asked to be cut free.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on May 04, 2013, 09:38:49 PM
thats actually NOT the case. i will elaborate via PM if asked.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 04, 2013, 10:41:56 PM
What was the results of the big bad Fragcon tournie??  Who won, who beat who and all the jazz..
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 05, 2013, 01:09:51 AM
Yes warstories post here please. Also just watched ironman 3 and all its glory. Epppppppiccc
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 05, 2013, 10:08:13 AM
Neil won best sportsman.
Allan won best painted.
Sean (moose jaws own) won best general with Warriors!

 14 guys showed, which is excellent considering how many couldn't make it.

I went 2-1 with Tomb Kings, and promptly went downtown and bought 4 boxes of Tomb Guard to change up my list. A loss against lyndals Skaven (very, very nice fellow - would like to get him playing more) a crushing over Carson's Orcs and a win over Matthews Vampire Counts. No joke, 3 grest guys and 3 great games.

Sportsman will be dropped from next years event. It's become pretty pointless with guys that game together often. Painting will have a nicer prize and maybe a bad beats award or something.

 Next year, considering if everyone shows up we won't have enough room to have the tourney, I talked to an organizer and our event will be moved to a different hall. Woohoo, we're growing! We would have had about 22 people if everyone showed - that we know of. Prizes can REALLY be amped up with that many entries.

  Feel free to post feedback - good or bad.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 05, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
So i would come to the tournament today but i dont wanna spend 50 between my girlfriend and I to just watch some warhammer

Completely understand and it's a question I have for the committee. $25 is gross to be a spectator.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on May 05, 2013, 12:36:32 PM
in the interest of the warstories request:

also had 3 great gsames.

played toms brets. first time ive ever faced them - but managed a solid win. toms a great guy and it was a very fun fast paced game.
lost to mike...rob...frank?? ... uh,,, the other ogres. guess my fatties just werent motivated for that one. the dice just said "nope" and his said 'HECK YEA!" got my butt cleaned but good. still fun, and billybobfrankjoesomeone whosit? is also a great guy and i learned some neat ogre tricks.
finished up against lynals skaven. he had to bail before we could finish and he gave me the win.. it was REALLY close at that point though, we made a few mistakes - mainly that his 13thspell could affect monstrus infantry.. (it cant) that might have made things go diffirent in the last 2 turns.. but otherwise was a nice back and forth fun game. a few rules questions but everything was answered quickley and the game would have probally been his had he stuck around.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: SideSwipe83 on May 05, 2013, 01:04:31 PM
Holy crap i didnt think there were that many people playing. I thought it would have been a few people i e met already but wow thats awesome. Im happy to see the sportsman like posts as well. I dont like gloaters. Anyways hope everyone had lots of fun.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: dirtytrix on May 06, 2013, 06:40:54 PM
Howdy all. Chris here again. Two things:

a) Allan, I cheated terribly during our game. I misread the warp lightning rules and it ended up being incredibly devastating. Damn new army pains. Moderator: please give Allan the full massacre points against me and change my score to zero.

b) Despite the fact I am a terrible cheater, I would like to find an opponent or two for this weekend coming up. I am home Thursday evening and am available Friday-Sunday all day long. If anyone is interested in taking on the Skaven PM me!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on May 06, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
That was a fun weekend. Super thanks to both crews- the mega battle seven and the14 at the tourney. For me that was nine and seven hours of warhammer.

The mega battle- was fun. Learned a few thigns for doing them again. Need to give more power and less dispell dice for greater effect.
Have armies presign up and not just the players so we can fine tune lists and such before the day.
Overall it was fun .


The saturday was super as well. Three great games -I played Carson and his orcs. Barclay and his demons and Tom and his Bretts.  I lost to Barclay but that is okay. It is always fun playing three good guys who are out there for their own and their opponents fun.
It was cool seeing that many players out all at once. Lots of nice armies too and not a single list I would say was disgusting or designed to exploit any rules. Except for my army- I had 15 dwarf cannons.
Great job Don.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 06, 2013, 08:57:42 PM
The Sigmar Hammer of Justice will finally swing to deliver the verdict to Maeson’s comments.  That verdict will be a one month suspension from the ladder league.   This is in line with other leagues, particularly the 40K escalation league that has a clear code of conduct.  The suspension will be back dated to the time of the offense.   Therefore, any games that Maeson plays from now until June 3 will not count towards points for him.  He will loss his participation points from the Megabattle. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 06, 2013, 09:08:42 PM
I just wanted to clear up the painted models issue one more time...  "Painted" models will be three distinct colours as indicated in the topics rules on page one.  Their bases don't have to be done.  So to be fair to everyone, if you only want two colours on your models you will not get the +1bonus for painted.    cool?

Edit: please note that although black primer is a colour, black primer is not paint.  Thus, a black model will either need to be painted with black paint (and 2 other colours) or primer with 3 colours.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: NSGossy on May 07, 2013, 08:00:07 PM
Hey RobertP! I'd like to issue my one and only 'wild card' challenge to you. 2500 points.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 07, 2013, 10:14:18 PM
Hey RobertP! I'd like to issue my one and only 'wild card' challenge to you. 2500 points.
You still haven't forgotten that I put you on the bottom of the ladder, eh?  Now you expect to beat the Empire and move them all the way down that said ladder?  I don't think so!  I have seen this challenge coming and I have already marshaled the troops.  We are not hiding behind our walls but the Empire will meet on the glorious battlefield.  You will smash against a wall of steel, again and again, and you will break!  Tomorrow the lands with run green with orc blood!  (they have green blood right?)
...
To fit it in around work (we work together) we are playing around 8pm at my house. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 07, 2013, 11:16:15 PM
Howdy all. Chris here again. Two things:

a) Allan, I cheated terribly during our game. I misread the warp lightning rules and it ended up being incredibly devastating. Damn new army pains. Moderator: please give Allan the full massacre points against me and change my score to zero.

b) Despite the fact I am a terrible cheater, I would like to find an opponent or two for this weekend coming up. I am home Thursday evening and am available Friday-Sunday all day long. If anyone is interested in taking on the Skaven PM me!

a) Rules are missed all the time.  The minimum rules that I miss are 3 per game.... so I dont' think that it is that big of a deal.  Besides can a single warp lightning cannon be THAT gross?  Anyone else want to caste their opinion here?

b) I will get a game in with you Chris but I can't do it this weekend.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 07, 2013, 11:25:45 PM
Sounds like Chris was placing the wlc template at the start of the bounce and moving it through Allans units which would cause an insane amount of hits. I was wondering why his wlc cannons were doing so much better than mine!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on May 07, 2013, 11:49:22 PM
Sounds like Chris was placing the wlc template at the start of the bounce and moving it through Allans units which would cause an insane amount of hits. I was wondering why his wlc cannons were doing so much better than mine!
Yeah, that's exactly what happened ... and it was incredibly gross. 3 shots nerfed 3 units:
Needless to say, that was the difference in the game by a 'longshot' (couldn't resist a pun :D)

Not sure that I should simply be given a Crushing Victory as recompense.  I appreciate Chris's honesty (but not his pink dice :lol). Maybe just a flipping of the score (ie. a simple victory for me, a simple loss for Chris) as this would have been the more likely result.  I'll leave it up to Rob to make the final call.


As far as the FragCon's tournament, I played three games but none against league members (as far as I know): And of course my army was painted.

Rob, will participation in the FragCon events count towards May's required game to hold onto our ladder placements?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 08, 2013, 06:11:13 AM
Skaven is a tough army to figure out with all the rules... We will flip the scores as Allan suggested.

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Rob, will participation in the FragCon events count towards May's required game to hold onto our ladder placements?
Yes, any game will.

For Fragcon tournie, I have a few guys posting
Don, Dean, Allan have all posted.  Dean didn't describe if his victories as crushing or not.  (I will assume non-crushing unless told otherwise).  Neil has told me verbally that He was crushed by Sean's WoC; he was crushed a second time (I forget the details); and that he managed a crushing victory against an Empire army. It should be noted that the local Empire milita that Neil crushed was unprepared and not well equipped.  They where surprised by the speed at which the Orc WAAAGH!!! gained momentum.  However, Neil's WAAAGH! will soon come to an end... tonight.  Was there only 4 league players at Fragcon?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on May 08, 2013, 10:34:15 AM
I was there too , but I just lurk and never post anything

Anyone available Thursday evening ?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on May 08, 2013, 10:36:58 AM
I won vs Carl crushing (very nice guy)
I won vs Dean crushing (always fun games , dont expect dwarves to fail break tests)
Lost normal vs Tyler (tough list , failed too many early LD tests)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on May 09, 2013, 12:41:20 PM
I am mostly free all weekend

What about Sunday afternoon ? anyone up for a game at comic readers ?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on May 09, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
My courage  averse dwarfs have been shaved and dyed orange.  They will swell my horde of slayers.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 09, 2013, 11:23:43 PM
I updated the games played since I last modified the Ladder.  This includes Dirtytrix/Allan's game revision on who won, the FRAGCon results and Robert/Neil's challenge.

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 09, 2013, 11:39:10 PM
Last night Neil came over with his nearly painted orc army to play a 2500pt game.  My unpainted Empire army meet his orcs and bested them in the 6 turns playing the Battleline Scenario.  Robert scores 8pts for crushing victory, +1pt for ladder challenge but -1pt for playing the same person twice.  Neil scored 2pts for crushing defeat, +1 Ladder challenge (Wild Card) but -1pt playing Robert second time. 

I intended to write a detailed battle report but just ran out of time.  I might finish this off on Monday or Tuesday... we will see.  Until then Happy wargaming!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 17, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Maeson sent me this PM; Justin will get 4pts total:
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I played Justins Orcs and Goblins last night. I tabled his army so he gets points for a drastic loss and his models were painted. I completely wiped out his orc horde of 60 models with a good warp lightning blast and 2 Dreaded 13th attempts! Lots of funny things happened in that battle, his main mistake was in his deployment and I managed to take advantage of that.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Gallagher on May 18, 2013, 12:15:12 AM
Yup, Maeson did table me. I used spider riders for the first time and found them to be effective. My big uns horde were inept however ( He just did not have a big enough block of troops to squish). Kudos goes to the 5 night runners rear charging my 14 arra boys and making them flee. An overall fun game.

If anyone is interested in a game this long weekend send me a PM and lets set something up.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 18, 2013, 12:30:24 AM
This battle is a few days old already but I promised a battle report so I figure I better deliver a battle report for Neil and my game played May 8... I had taken notes on the game but since then I lost them.  Here is the battle report from memory and pictures that I took:

The basic battle broke down into three battle areas.  The right flank, left flank and center.  On the right flank the Empire deployed Inner Circle Knights (with Warrior Priest) and 3 demigryph Knights.  The Orcs only deployed a single goblin bolt thrower that was overrun easily.  However, to prevent his flank from being rolled, Neil dispatched a large unit of Big G’Uns with both a level 4 shaman on boar and Battle Standard Bearer on Boar.  The first into the battle was rabble was the inner circle knights.  The orc BSB challenged and the warrior priest accepted.  In this challenge the Warrior priest gave his single wound the Orc BSB in the very first turn of combat.  This wound was made with the 5pt Warrior Bane magic sword forcing the orc to loss one attack from his profile and this in turn likely kept the Warrior Priest alive.  The orc was kitted with protective wards and although the challenge lasted 6 combat rounds neither hero could kill the other.   When the demigryphs charged into the flank the challenge blocked the attacks of most of the demigryph unit.  This kept the orc losses minimal while the Empire slowly chewed through their numbers.  The Knights where kept alive with their high armour save.  The battle finally broke in the last turn and the Empire’s Knights slaughtered the orcs as they ran.

The center... in the center the Empire kept the squig herds away with missile fire, but by directing the fire onto the herds the Black Orcs and Trolls advanced relatively unhindered.  The Black Orcs (with Warboss) and Trolls finally stopped their advance against a horde unit of 40 Greatswords (with General and Captain) supported by Halberdiers.  The Warboss charged in calling his WAAAGH!  The battle continued several turns with the Orcs and trolls finally breaking.  They were not run down and ended the battle with the units in a route.  Also participating in the middle of the battle field where 20 Handgunners, 23 archers and a unit of Goblins with short bows.  The Goblin’s released fanatics destroyed the archers in glorious fashion.  The Goblins survived the game likely due to their timely retreat from the range of the Handgunners. 

The Right flank pitted the Steam Tank vs 14 wolf Riders lead by Gittilla Da Hunter.  The Stank occupied the wolf riders but their failed to wound it in shorting or close combat.  The stank eventually took a wound from a nearby bolt thrower but it was too little too late.  With Gittilla the only Rider left, the Stank crushed him in a final charge.   

Some errors in the game:
- I placed two cannons onto the battlefield that wasn’t on my list!  I caught the mistake in around turn 3 just as Neil’s Trolls where going to charge one.  We put back on the wounds the cannons made but we couldn’t take back the movements that we had done because of them.  Neil said that had one of these extra cannons not been placed on the right flank the goblin wolf riders would not have been placed on that flank!  So the entire Steam tank vs Wolf rider battle would not have occurred.
- Neil forgot to apply the results of one or more of his spells.  This spell could have turned the slight loss in close combat to a sight victory and thus could have changed the landscape of the game
- And I forgot that my greatswords where in horde and I missed an entire 10 attacks at Strength 5. 
Oh well things happen!

Thanks for the game Neil, always great to game against you.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 18, 2013, 12:43:39 AM
Here is some pictures of the game...

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 18, 2013, 12:50:03 AM
more pictures...
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 21, 2013, 08:49:02 PM
Coming to regina Saturday to buy stuff.  Anyone wanna have a game?  I'll be playing High Elves, 2500 points.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 21, 2013, 09:01:33 PM
Just to note Don, you cant change races in this league, but nevermind if u are just playing for fun, I would play u with darkies but i have to work
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 21, 2013, 11:36:42 PM
I have to work on Saturday... but I would love to set something up in the future.  PM me. 

Don what are you using to take paint off plastic figures? I was all into Brake Fluid and it worked well with metal models.  I am not sure if the Brake fluid just got old, or because I am stripping plastic, or I have already used it too much but it doesn't peal it off like it use too. (that is a pretty good run-on sentence!)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lareina on May 22, 2013, 07:52:39 AM
Rob, Chris used Castrol Super Clean to clean paint off his old models, doesn't even eat off the glue, the glue would break from scrubbing though, but it didn't melt plastic. It would even eventually take off paint that was sealed with a gloss varnish.

Don, Chris might be available for a game I'll text you later today (he has no free time during work anymore)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on May 22, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
Im free all weekend , but it looks like comic readers has a ton of other events going on
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 22, 2013, 07:21:40 PM
Looks like Chris and I are playing at noon, on the display table out front?  I'll be there at noon ready to buy things and play!

  To strip figs I use Simple Green, buy a huge jug at Canadian Tire for about $8 and works the charm.  I end up soaking for days or weeks by the time I'm ready to toothbrush the figs, but you really only need a day or so.  It's non-toxic, I think you're actually able to drink it - but I wouldn't. :D

  I just can't get into the Bretonnians - especially with my fave army just getting a new book.  I'll even take the league hit, and figured I was coming in anyways and want to keep trying the High Elves.  was in Saskatoon last weekend and played against Wood Elves, Orcs & Goblins and Vampire Counts.  3 Massacre victories for me!  wow, are the High Elves different though.

  My wife works every Saturday now, from 11-7 so coming in for games will be easy.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 22, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
If you want a paint removing solution that doesn't require soaking, try the nail polish remover Cutex, I just havn't tried it on plastic models but it has done wonders on my metal minis. All you do is scrub it on the mini with an old toothbrush as Don said.

Repriming works too although it can blemish fine details.

@Don-the new High Elves are sounding quite awesome. Attacking in 3 ranks is amazing, or is it 4, and balances out the fact that Swordmasters and White Lions no longer get ASF every round. I have been hearing that Silver Helms with a Noble in a 3x3 formation are even better than Brettonian cavalry now with their Martial Prowess. I just hope you don't have one huge unit of SM with the Banner of the World Dragon, which pretty much defeats my Skaven before the battle begins  :P
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lance on May 23, 2013, 08:18:40 AM
My wife works every Saturday now, from 11-7 so coming in for games will be easy.
Let me know when you want to try the dark side ;)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Malachi on May 23, 2013, 09:33:59 AM
@Don-the new High Elves are sounding quite awesome. Attacking in 3 ranks is amazing, or is it 4, and balances out the fact that Swordmasters and White Lions no longer get ASF every round. I have been hearing that Silver Helms with a Noble in a 3x3 formation are even better than Brettonian cavalry now with their Martial Prowess. I just hope you don't have one huge unit of SM with the Banner of the World Dragon, which pretty much defeats my Skaven before the battle begins  :P
HE attack in 4 ranks with Spears, 3 ranks for everything else.  SM and WL do get ASF every round, but it's now "normal" ASF from the rulebook, so the ASL from the Great Weapons cancel it out.  They're still I5 so they'll probably be swinging first, but they can't ever get rerolls.

What's the point of a 3x3 formation?  The additional ranks wouldn't count for combat resolution.  Is it just that you're limiting the amount of attacks coming back at you?  Anything with 2 ranks is going to count as Steadfast against you, so you're probably not going to cause anyone to Break... what am I missing that's great about that unit?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on May 23, 2013, 12:10:13 PM

Anything with 2 ranks is going to count as Steadfast against you, so you're probably not going to cause anyone to Break... what am I missing that's great about that unit?

As of the April FAQ you count the first rank as well ... so you will always be steadfast against it

He is just talking about calvary I think , for hunting warmachines or flanking
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 23, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
Yes, units of 9 to take on opposing support units or monsters. Use archers to break ranks as they are now the best core, same fighting ability as sea guard now that they have MP.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 23, 2013, 07:47:24 PM
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@Don-the new High Elves are sounding quite awesome. Attacking in 3 ranks is amazing, or is it 4, and balances out the fact that Swordmasters and White Lions no longer get ASF every round. I have been hearing that Silver Helms with a Noble in a 3x3 formation are even better than Brettonian cavalry now with their Martial Prowess. I just hope you don't have one huge unit of SM with the Banner of the World Dragon, which pretty much defeats my Skaven before the battle begins

  I would NEVER use that banner - and certainly not in a horde of White Lions.  Kiddy gaming at it's best - hate that kind of stuff.  Also, played a few games so far and let me make it clear; Martial Prowess is no Speed of Asuryan.  Having an extra rank of attacks does not by any means make up for rerolls.  MP just means you need more models to take advantage na dI'm not whining (maybe a little) but I'll miss SoA.  It's ok though, like I said the army plays a little differently now - which is cool.

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Let me know when you want to try the dark side

  HA!  I was just thinking the same thing!

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What's the point of a 3x3 formation?  The additional ranks wouldn't count for combat resolution.  Is it just that you're limiting the amount of attacks coming back at you?  Anything with 2 ranks is going to count as Steadfast against you, so you're probably not going to cause anyone to Break... what am I missing that's great about that unit?

  I agree, but for kind of a different reason.  I think the 3X3 is a little gimmicky and I think you'll soon fine people going to 4X2, just like the Helms come out of the box.  I've played Brets enough to know that it won't be long before people realise that the flank size of 3 ranks of Helms isn't something they'll like.  You heard it here first!

  On a side note:  if a single model is against a unit of 5 models (that count as a rank) that 5 wide unit will have steadfast.  they have a rank while the other unit does not.

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Yes, units of 9 to take on opposing support units or monsters. Use archers to break ranks as they are now the best core, same fighting ability as sea guard now that they have MP

  Again, I think that's just something people will try - simply because they can.  A unit of 8 Helms will do the same job for a touch cheaper.  I dunno, I don't understand all the hoopla either.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on May 24, 2013, 06:04:59 PM
I am gonna drop in with my Skaven tomorrow if anyone else is available for a game. All I gotta do is buy a Hellpit and I will have 3000 points! I must ask everyone though, is my unit of 60 Nightrunners absolutely hated with how I have proxied them with Giant Rats. See Nightrunners don't have armour, have 2 paw weapons, and can use a throwing weapon. So I figured it kinda works fluffwise as a proxy, just to do something different. Now that my army is built I want to write a story to explain how such an odd force has formed under the command of Thanquol.

Go easy on me Don, I am slow.  :P Plus I don't have the HE rulebook yet so I am just pointing out things that I heard from the forums. High Elves seem more balanced now, too bad about the SOA, but we all know it was broken anyways.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 24, 2013, 09:55:46 PM
Didn't mean to come across as anything other than explaining. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 26, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
Maeson (Prince of Arnheim) has decided to withdraw from the league.  The following is a piece of the PM that he sent to me.  (I doubled checked with him that he really wanted to do this... unfortunately he said he did so I have to accept that.  My hope is that nobody else wants to get out.)
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You can take me off the league roster Rob. I just want to play for fun until there is another escalation league. I might try to get something setup at the monthly frag gamesdays, I think it is a shame that all that table space and potential goes to waste when there could be something like a monthly tournament scene even if there wasnt prizes. Right now it seems that people are only playing for pride and prizes which turns me away...
If league players set up games with Maeson (or MikeL) they still get the +2 points for playing Warhammer! Remember this league is intended to encourage play so lets keep playing!

**EDIT - the copied post didnt' come over as written.  Corrected it.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 26, 2013, 09:21:23 AM
If anyone is available to play a game on Tuesday at 8:30pm please PM me.  It would have to be a game outside of CR. Keep in mind it is a work day for most people (but not me)!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lareina on May 26, 2013, 09:30:52 AM
If anyone is available to play a game on Tuesday at 8:30pm please PM me.  It would have to be a game outside of CR. Keep in mind it is a work day for most people (but not me)!

You wouldn't possibly be available Monday night would you? (trying to set up a game for Chris) we have prior plans for Tuesday. Well in general any night that isn't Tuesday would be fine for him.

As for Maeson dropping in to playing a game at ComicReaders since Don and Chris were playing, we moved it to our house because of the other events happening at that time. It was a last minute decision that none of us posted the change about, so I do apologize since I was the one that told to play at the house since I was afraid of lack of space.

All I know what happened is that Elves don't like comets  :confused
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 26, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
Rob, I hope you got Maesons permission to share the pm?

Maeson, can you share your feelings on what this is about?  I'm a little confused about how your pm reads to Rob.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 26, 2013, 07:53:06 PM
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Rob, I hope you got Maesons permission to share the pm?
I didn't seek permission.  After Mike quit the league, I wanted to make sure that it was pretty clear that I didn't do anything to make him leave.  The last time someone quit it litterally cost me over 6+ hours of my life writing PMs an such explaining the situation.  Totally sucks since at the time I REALLY REALLY wanted to paint my halberdiers!  It should be noted that the quote of Maeson's isn't modified but for some reason there was an error in copying (Now corrected, sorry!).  ALSO, I did shorten the text to protect SOME of the content that was shared with me.  FINALLY, the third reason I carefully choose to include the text I did was to start the promotion of what Maeson said... he was talking about getting games going at Frag on a monthly bases.  That is within the spirit of the league and that is supported fully by me.   No malice intended, I just wanted the get the facts across!

@Lareina - I can't make it Monday.  I only have Tuesday night free.  =(

** EDIT - corrected the error noted above
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 27, 2013, 07:11:23 AM
I am sorry about copying the PM.  In the future I will reframe from posting them.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 27, 2013, 07:23:14 AM
If anyone is available to play a game on Tuesday at 8:30pm please PM me.  It would have to be a game outside of CR. Keep in mind it is a work day for most people (but not me)!
Justin is free and willing to play.  He indicated that he wanted to make it a ladder game too so he has issued the challenge to claim 2nd spot.  This is a regular challenge as Justin is in 3rd spot. Good luck to you Justin your going to need it!  2500pts
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on May 27, 2013, 04:37:26 PM
ugh , lots of games going on this week and I work nights lame
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on May 28, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Played against Don's High Elves at our place on Saturday.  My ogres haven't been played in a while and it showed - they were hungry. 

We agreed to just play a regular battle line and Don went first.  He moved into position, shot at me a bit (killing a sabretusk for first blood), and tried to destroy one of my BSB's magic items... but he was naked!  Ha!  My stonehorn failed his frenzy check and attempted a charge on Don's eagle, causing it to flee in terror.  Ogres moved up, leadbelchers shot a few guys, scraplauncher got a direct hit on 18 guys (killing a few), and my slaughtermaster irresistably cast a comet in the middle of the board.  The miscast caused a wound to all my mages and stole the rest of my spell dice.

Turn 2 Don's cavalry killed my second sabretusk and prepared to charge my scraplauncher.  His eagle rallied and prepared to be charged again.  More shots fired, more ogres killed.  One squad of leadbelchers was roughly half strength by now.  In the magic phase Don moved his swordmasters forward to taunt my Ironguts - the comet didn't fall.  Ogre turn - Stonehorn failed his frenzy again and failed the charge on the eagle that held this time.  My ironguts decided not to charge forward, wanting the leadbelchers to soften up the elves with more shooting first.  Instead, the comet came down in my magic phase with a full 12" radius, dealing massive damage to the squad with Don's archmage in it, some swordmasters, some white lions, and destroyed his eagle.  Then during the magic phase the slaughtermaster used 3 dice and rolled 3 6's to cast another comet - this time close to Don's annoying bolt throwers.  The miscast again wounded all my mages and ate all my spell dice!

The game went downhill from there.  Don charged my scraplauncher and it fled.  He also charged my ironguts.  More ogres were killed in the shooting phase.  During combat the swordmasters succumbed to fear, and really missed their old re-rolls with great weapons.  My ironguts held their ground.  Ogres finished off the white lions, scraplauncher continued to flee, and the ironguts began to pull ahead in combat.

Don's next turn the comet fell, destroying his 3 bolt throwers.  He scared the scraplauncher off the table with 2 consecutive charges.  After my ogre squad and stonehorn respectively succeeded in charging his squad with archmage and his archers, Don extended his hand.

It was a well-fought battle.  I'd agree with Don that my leadbelchers were the MVP's (not counting my dice - there came a point in the game where Don even jokingly offered me $50 for my dice with how well they were doing).

Thanks for the game Don!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 28, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
Reading this battle report would lead one to believe that it was a close game - at least for a little while. ;). Nothing was further from the truth as the poor little elves got massacred on quick fashion. Plenty of Belchers and awesome comets made sure of that. It was a fun game though as just to witness the destruction of pumped up comets isn't something you get to see very often.

 I wasn't painted, but wasn't a league game for me anyways. Chris was a great host and a cool environment to play games. Look forward to the next one!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 29, 2013, 09:31:39 AM
Last night Justin came over with his painted orcs and destroyed my painted Empire, 1824pts to ~750pts.  Since it was a ladder challenge Justin moves up to second place and I fall to 3rd place (exchanging places).  This is the first successful movement on the ladder!  Justin gained a whopping 10pts league point; I got 4 league points.

Some of the highlights...
At the end of the battle the Empire Steam Tank was down to one wound left; Stanks start with 10 wounds. 
The Empire celestial wizard miscast on turn 1, 2, and 3 before finally taking enough damage to destroy himself.  On the miscast table he rolled the worst possible outcome taking S10 hits with the large template but refrained from being caste into the chaos void.  The single goblin wizard survived the battle but his magic did very little most turns.
The 9 inner circle knights did pretty good in battle.  In one round of combat they had 8 attacks, net 8 hits, and did 8 wounds on their charge!  The warrior priest, in the unit, didn't pull his weight.  He carried the Mace of Helstrum (one, always strikes last, attack at Strength 10 doing D3 wounds).  This Warrior priest failed to wound in two rounds of combat, and in a third round did only one wound! 
A giant soaked up much of the Empire missile fire.  In the end the giant flanked a unit of Greatswords.  There was only one GS that could hit him and the single GS attack brought the giant down.
It was agreed that the Empire's artillary and shooting phase was less then it should have been...
Goblin fanatics did a lot of wounds but mostly to the O&G side!
Orc and Goblin only suffered from animosity one time.  That one time was an inopportune time but would have been a great help had they had rolled average animosity!

May is coming to an end so there are only a few more days to get in YOUR may ladder challenge!

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I wasn't painted, but wasn't a league game for me anyways. Chris was a great host and a cool environment to play games. Look forward to the next one!
Was your recent games in Saskatoon non-painted too?  Since you had 4 recent games, the difference is 4 league pts.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 29, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Yes, they were unpainted also. They don't count at all as I was playing my HE army, not my Brets.

Justin's a fun opponent, too bad he doesn't come to MJ anymore! ;)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 29, 2013, 10:28:01 PM
I had been giving the bonus point for playing with a painted army, reguardless of weather it was with the league army or not.  My idea behind this is that it further promotes the game when armies are painted since it is always funner to play against/with a painted army.  I hope that is ok with everyone.   
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on May 30, 2013, 06:26:51 AM
That sounds just perfect to me.  I was just mentioning that I was neither painted or playing a League army.

  Many lost points. :(
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on May 31, 2013, 08:11:18 AM
Just to note Don, you cant change races in this league, but nevermind if u are just playing for fun, I would play u with darkies but i have to work

From the first page under points:  "In addition, players that command a different army from their chosen army will also get 2 points for each game played."

Don - you still get SOME points.  Sure it's not as many as you would've gotten with the Brets, but with how many games you've been reporting I'm sure they're adding up fast!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 31, 2013, 11:31:18 PM
Just to note Don, you cant change races in this league, but nevermind if u are just playing for fun, I would play u with darkies but i have to work

From the first page under points:  "In addition, players that command a different army from their chosen army will also get 2 points for each game played."

Don - you still get SOME points.  Sure it's not as many as you would've gotten with the Brets, but with how many games you've been reporting I'm sure they're adding up fast!
Don has played a lot of games, 13 reported so far this league.  I almost suspect he is under reporting the actual number of games played! 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on May 31, 2013, 11:33:27 PM
This is the final month for the Spring Ladder league.  It all ends Sunday, June 30.  Chris (Yolanka) is still on top of the ladder and has went unchallenged thus far.  Most people still have their wildcard challenge as well as their June challenge to use it they want to try to get into the final by getting to the top of the ladder.  Alternatively, the highest number of points also get you into the final.  By points, nobody is running away with it... so basically it is anyone's league to take.

The ladder league is all up to date on the first page.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 01, 2013, 08:39:40 AM
I'll be in Saskatoon next weekend for a few games (Masters tournament)  Anyone is welcome to attend by the way!

  I may have missed posting a few a few games - I'll have to think, but will continue to play Brets for the remainder of the Regina league.  This weekend, Sunday after 2:30 a few fellows are coming over to taste the might of Bretonnia!  Will have a few tables set up, so anyone bored enough to come in to Moose Jaw is welcome.  Gonna order Pizza and beat each other up until the sun goes down.  Will report massacres later..... ;)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Malachi on June 03, 2013, 09:35:53 AM
I'm not in the league, but I did have my first game of Warhammer with my newly minted High Elves army on Saturday and though maybe you'd like to hear a quick recap.  I played my cousin's Vampire Counts in a 1500 point game.  We rolled Battle for the Pass, but it didn't matter much since we were playing on a 48" square table.  We did roll all Mysterious Forest terrain, so I guess it was a forest pass?

My list was basically a "what you can make with 2 Island of Blood sets" - Sea Guard, Sword Masters, Reavers, Prince on Griffon, and a couple Mages.  Oh and my newly built Skycutter chariot.  He had a Level 4 Archnecromancer, a hero-level Vampire, big blocks of Zombies, Skeletons, and Grave Guard, 5 Black Knights, Spirit Host, a bunch of Dire Wolves units, big bats, and a Vargelf (sp?).

He advanced on me like a good undead horde, while I played defensive and shot.  I learned that shooting doesn't do much when he can bring back D6+4 models to every unit within 6-12".  Stupid Vampire magic.  Sisters of Avelorn (was proxying them) were champs, even with a unit of 5.  The Spirit Host would've caused me trouble if not for their magic bows.  The Prince on Griffon also did well, nailing the Black Knights before they had a chance to do anything - my cousin admitted afterward that he "forgot it could fly."  The Prince zooming around everything also caused him to have to get cagey with his Vargulf to keep it from getting lanced, which kept it out of combat the whole game.  My Swordmasters got into a meat grinder of a battle with the Grave Guard, each of us hacking at each other and trying to load buffs and de-buffs on the units.  Dispels were ruling the day however, with very few spells actually succeeding.  Highlight of the battle for me was the Swordmasters holding up despite being outnumbered against the Grave Guard.  At one point he did 5 Str 4 Wounds to me, and I rolled this for my saves:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2818/8937671588_a07ff4221e_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67356936@N05/8937671588/)

At the end of the game, my Swordmasters held up the Grave Guard long enough that they were only able to destroy the SM unit itself.  That left my Prince, Sea Guard, and Reavers to clean up the Dire Wolves "chaff" as well as finally cause enough wounds to crumble the Skeleton unit - which included my Prince crushing the Vampire in a challenge.  Last turn of the game saw the Reavers make a suicide charge against the Vargulf to keep it from getting into combat with the Prince.  They were predictably crushed, but managed to make the Vargulf turn and chase them which was enough. 

Victory to the High Elves!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 03, 2013, 02:01:08 PM
Good job High Elves!

 I had 2 games on Sunday. My Bretonnians were massacred by Sean's warriors. Nuff said. ;)

Next games was my High Elves against Barclays Daemons! High Elf victory in a very close, fun game that had my courageous Dragon Princes finally killing the Great Unclean One after the GUO single handedly ate half my army! Very last dice roll on turn 6 saw the GUO pour down the drain and the HE rejoiced! Always a good game against Barclay.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 04, 2013, 06:09:17 AM
Squalie, your new HE army painted?  How about Barcley, your stuff painted (3 colours to each model)?

@Malachi - thanks for the battle report!  Good to see a new player!  Was that your first game ever playing Fantasy?  I assume that you have built that army for and know about the escalation league Comic Readers will be starting sometime after this month.  We will definitely have to meet, perhaps then!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 04, 2013, 06:16:58 AM
I'm not completely painted.  I think Barclays army is painted.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Malachi on June 04, 2013, 08:49:50 AM
@Malachi - thanks for the battle report!  Good to see a new player!  Was that your first game ever playing Fantasy?  I assume that you have built that army for and know about the escalation league Comic Readers will be starting sometime after this month.  We will definitely have to meet, perhaps then!

I think it was my second time ever playing Fantasy.  Though the first was 7th ed, with a borrowed army, and me not knowing the rules/what was really going on.  Saturday was my first game playing 8th, with an army I picked, knowing the rules and such.  Yes, I know about the escalation league... I'd like to try and participate but my gaming availability (especially during the day) is very limited.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: KingLlama on June 05, 2013, 09:27:42 AM
anyone available Thursday , 330ish for a downtown game ?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: DevinB on June 05, 2013, 10:47:17 PM
Sorry KingLlama I won't be able to play Thursday, but if you or anyone else is available either Friday or on the weekend, then I could play against someone.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 06, 2013, 12:17:22 AM
I would like to help you boyz out but Chris (Yolanka) and myself have been trying to set up a game for some time... finally it's going to happen.  I will challenge Chris to his first place ranking on Friday evening.  We will be playing at his place. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 08, 2013, 09:15:27 AM
Yolanka and I played last night at his house.  Great place to play! 

I challenged his first place ranking and came up short with my painted Empire.  He scored a regular victory at 971pts vs ~650 with his painted orgers army.  Chris earned 8pts total and I got 5pts.  Some details:

In the game, Chris felt the staying power of the 'unbreakable' Steam tank... It didn't deal out many wounds but stood around taking wounds and passing it's +1 armour save.  In the end the Stank took a total of 9 wounds then blow its self up doing damage to the two ogre units surrounding it.  Our magic didn't do much during the game, but Chris's lvl 4 celestial mage miscaste on the first turn and lost 3 spells.  Loosing such spells as the comet really helped me out!  My demigryphans were bested in hand-to-hand and where removed in one turn of combat.  The Helblaster Volley Gun consistently rolled a whopping 24 shots perturn.  Oddly with the three artillery dice the HBVG rolled, I don't remember it rolling a misfire once!  It did manage to take off a few ogres but nothing spectacular.  The orger scrap launcher consistently scattered... did you know it has killling blow!!!  And the ogre cannon/chariot contraption didn't do a thing... except flee to survive a Knight charge.  Did I miss anything Chris?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 08, 2013, 09:19:06 AM
Do you know that Comic Readers is starting a new escalation league starting on July 1?  There are some rule changes from last time so check it and sign up!

http://forums.saskgames.com/index.php?topic=2766.0
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on June 10, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
Rob  - you didn't miss anything in the report.  It felt like a close game all the way through to the end - a truly good match.  The dice did seem weird at times though.  The only time I miscast was when I rolled 2 dice for a spell, but the many times I rolled 5 or 6 dice? ... nope those are fine!  You roll 3 artillery dice for the hellblaster and consistently roll 6/8/10, but both our cannons rendered themselves useless on one dice turn after turn! :excited

My stonehorn also has a new fear of steam tanks.  Although maybe next time he faces one it won't make all of its 4+ saves vs. all of his impact hits.  :confused

Looking forward to trying out the new vampire counts in the next comicreaders league.  Lots to paint!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 12, 2013, 05:58:44 AM
Is anyone available for a game in the next 4-5 days?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on June 12, 2013, 02:04:35 PM
I havnt had a game in awhile Rob,
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 13, 2013, 06:54:51 AM
Thanks for the offer Maeson!  There are several peeps I have PM'd and whom I haven't played yet so I will wait to see what they have to say. 

UPDATE: Don and I will be playing June 15 in MJ.  Thanks Squalie!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on June 18, 2013, 03:09:00 PM
Anyone care to have a game this Saturday at the FRAG Gamesday against my Skaven? I was even thinking if we could get a few people together we could do a mini tournament if there was enough interest. Would be a good opportunity for the leaguers to get some last games in before the playoff participants are determined.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 18, 2013, 09:52:14 PM
Don and I had a game in Moose Jaw.  His High Elves destroyed my Empire.  I was fully painted. 
Don 2pts for playing.  Robert 3pts for lossing massacre with league army and painted. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 19, 2013, 06:52:39 AM
That Empire army is completely painted?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 19, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
That Empire army is completely painted?
Yes.  I have a bunch of painted Empire and have been making my list from the stuff that is painted.  The halberdiers are suspect since they have white helms, white feathers, boots and movement tray... but they have three blues on their cloths, two browns on their base, boltgun metal halberds, weapon shaft painted based yellow. =)  These guys are not finished by any means but do fit the 3 colours minimum criteria. 

Edit: I had my army together so I took a pic and attached.  My list was: 34 Greatswords FC, (with 9 swordmen and 9 halberds detachments), 12 archers (with 2X6 archer detachments), 20 handgunners FC (upgraded marksmen), Steam tank, HelBlaster Volley Gun, Great Cannon, 9 Inner circle knights FC, Demi gryphan Knights with musician, General (with shield, full plate and ~60pts of magic gear), Captain (BSB, full plate and shield), 4lvl wizard (w/ dispellscroll), and special character Luther Huss.  In the picture are two extra cannon crew that made the journey but didnt reach the battle field! 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 20, 2013, 08:59:17 PM
Yup, that's the army I beat up all right! :lol

  I'm playing HE for the league, I just mentioned I may play TK.  I'll take my points but not for painted as I had an unpainted Chariot.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 20, 2013, 11:59:33 PM
Anyone care to have a game this Saturday at the FRAG Gamesday against my Skaven? I was even thinking if we could get a few people together we could do a mini tournament if there was enough interest. Would be a good opportunity for the leaguers to get some last games in before the playoff participants are determined.
I think there is some interest to play here... is there not?  It is going down June 22.  Unfortunately, I can't make it.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 22, 2013, 09:47:38 PM
Had a game with Neil today.  I played my Bretonnians against his O&G.  I only lost a Trebuchet, which made it a massacre in favour for the Brets!  He was painted and I was not.

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 25, 2013, 11:38:20 PM
I updated the league standings.  Less then one week left for players to get in a few games and claim top spots.  For myself, it looks like I will be able to get in at least one game before the month ends. 

I haven't heard much from Chris (Dirtytrix) in quite some time.   I sent him a few PMs a while back but never got a response.  Is he still around?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Gallagher on June 26, 2013, 06:45:36 AM
Hey I am looking for a game before the end of the month. I am free Friday evening as well as all weekend. Let me know if you are interested.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 26, 2013, 06:55:05 AM
Having a get together a my house on Saturday.  will get a few games in.  All are welcome.  Heck, there should be a few already playing at 7am (no joke).  We'll go until late evening.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on June 26, 2013, 12:04:21 PM
Anyone interested in playing Saturday at the Fragday?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 26, 2013, 05:43:35 PM
Anyone interested in playing Saturday at the Fragday?
I am pretty sure that Frag was last week.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on June 27, 2013, 11:10:20 AM
Anyone care to have a game this Saturday at the FRAG Gamesday against my Skaven? I was even thinking if we could get a few people together we could do a mini tournament if there was enough interest. Would be a good opportunity for the leaguers to get some last games in before the playoff participants are determined.

Pretty sure Maeson knew this too...  :lol
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Lareina on June 27, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Chris and Justin are playing a 2500 point at our house Friday night, I'm surprised Chris didn't post anything about that :P ... I did tell him, right?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 27, 2013, 04:54:38 PM
Allan and I are playing at my house on Saturday night.  It sounds like Allan will be heading out to Moose Jaw to visit Don that morning, before coming to my house. 

Here are a few things that I have been thinking about/ working on:
- Today I have been hurriedly painting halberdiers.  Seems like the unit will take forever to complete!  I only have 18 "painted" with only 6 being well painted.  I have about 4 more built and waiting for primer.  I have about 20 more models of old 6th edition Empire in Simple Green; these will be converted from spearmen, handgunners and swordsmen into halberdiers.  The simple Green eats away the paint pretty good (brush it after 24 hours and it's good to go) and primer is taken off after 1 week.  THANKS for the advice peeps.  The problem that has been slowing me down with these halberdiers is a poor priming.  The priming originally looked sandy but after removing it I reapplied with GW skull white and it looks a lot better.
- I had some unpainted Greatswords that I didn't realize that I had.  I had about 6 of them.  With some work, I should be able to have them painted... 40 Greatswords are a lot better then a unit of 33!
- By completing the Greatswords and the halberdiers I can finally make the arrangement that I wanted:  40ish GS with two detachements of 9 halberdiers.  I think that this is the optimal arrangement particularly when accompanied by an Empire General, Captain and/or Warrior Priest.  The reginment (Greatswords) pass abilities that they have to their detachments (halberdiers).  This list includes Leadership, Hatred, Subborn... awesome.  OK so by now nobody is reading this so I should wrap this up. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Prince of Arnheim on June 27, 2013, 05:06:02 PM
Anyone going from Regina to Moose Jaw for Dons Warhammer festivus? I will pay gas money!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on June 30, 2013, 08:46:17 AM
There has been lots of games played over the last two days... Don held an event, Justin and Chris had a game, I hosted a game...  Lets talk about the outcomes  :popcorn ...

Neil was at Don's basement and he played Barcley.  With permission, I've posted what Neil said: "This afternoon I played Barcley's Vampire Counts. It was a good and close game, but I lost it in the sixth round when I miscast and lost both my shamans. I cleared the table minus the ghosts which I couldn't harm and his vampire general and shaman which were ultra tough. His general vampire was getting about 10 attacks. I've never seen anything like it. It single handedly destroyed my unit of Big'uns. Good game though. Anyway, can you please add a loss to my total for the league? Thx."  The game ended with a regular win for Barcley and a regular loss for Neil.  Neil was not fully painted and I will assume that neither was Barcley (but he can correct me if this is wrong).  Barcley 2pts for his win with his non-league army, not painted ... Neil picks up 3pts for his regular loss, not painted. 

I played Allan last night.  He DESTROYED my Empire with his league Dwarfs.  The final outcome was 230 to 2185!  His shooting was absolutely devastating.  Here are some details of the major evernts. 
THE BIG EVENT: 1st turn a grudge thrower (rock lobber) and a spear thrower hit my 38 Greatswords with Warrior Priest and Captain BSB.  The unit took a combined 10 wounds and failed it's panic check twice.  The unit broke and ran.  They bounced through some halberdiers and off the table!!! HUGE!  Besides collapsing the left side of my battleline, the Dwarf warmachines were now free to fire at will against secondary targets.
SECOND BIG EVENT:  A spear thrower had a flank on my Inner Circle Knights.  It hit and the spear skewered the entire rank of 5.  A total of 5 guys remained including the Grand Master (General). 
RIDICULES:  By the last turn of the game the Inner Circle Knights unit was reduced to 3 models.  In a effort to play point denial, I had then flee from a dwarf infantry charge.  Unfortunately, they had to run throw another Dwarven unit.  The dangerous terrain check produced an outcome of one dead Grand Master!  The remaining two ICKs were skewered by a bolt thrower. 

Allan was fully painted so he collected 9pts with the Massacre Win.  I was not painted so I collect 2pts for the ML.

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Gallagher on June 30, 2013, 11:47:01 AM
On Friday Chris and I had an extremely close game ending in a draw. At the bottom of turn 6 there was one unit of Leadbelchers, 3 goblin bolt throwers and 13 Arrer Boyz left on the table. Lots of back in forth in the game of Battle for the Pass, where the 60 Orc Biggins were in combat with a horde of bulls and a horde of iron guts for 6 rounds of combat!
Notable events in the game from my point of view:

Chris's Fire Belly failed a look out sir role and is crushed by a single stone thrower rock on turn 2.

My Black Orc BSB making 5 straight 4+ Ward saves, keeping me in the game.

My Giant smashing the Ogre BSB with his club and doing 4 wounds before keeling over and dying.

Chris what were your highlights?

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on June 30, 2013, 02:08:55 PM
Does anyone know what Chaos Warrior tears look like?

   I do. :D

  Carson came to visit this weekend which created a little impromptu games day of about 8 guys.  I played my Bretonnians against Seans Warriors for our Saskatoon league playoff game and when the dust settled, Sean extended his hand and I hadn't lost a single unit. (Booyah!)

  I will say that my memory is a little vague because all I can think about is how awesome I am, (I'm totally loving this) but his Daemon Prince got KO'd by a Trebuchet and the Chimera didn't get the job done either.  Having lost his DP early game was huge for me.  I will admit his dice weren't spectacular, and my Grail Knights ran through his Skullcrushers like a razor egded sword (Lance?).  Seans normal enthusiasm was a little softened, but he was a good sport about his Warrior army getting absolutely destroyed by the Chaostonnians. Sean will hear about this for awhile.  He was hoping the playoff game would work in his favour but I prayed like crazy and the Lady listened.

  I'll say here that Seans placement of 2 Warhound units were a lot of the reason I could take advantage of well placed charges that favoured where I placed my units in contact.

MVP: Trebuchets + Grail Knights.
Neither painted

  the night before I had a game against Carson's VC with my High Elves.  Carson extended his hand when the HE just kept surrounding his army and there was little place for him to go.  A first turn Frostheart Phoenix with "Walk with worlds" or whatever was cast on it, put the big frozen bird directly behind his army and forced the tempo enough that he couldn't respond to everything.  His winds of magic was not strong and he couldn't move and raise fast enough to get back.

MVP: Frostheart Phoenix (Will be in every list)
Neither painted.

Next was my High Elves against Allan's Dwarfs.  Very, very active game and at the end we couldn't tell who won - not even a guess.  We even added each others list twice to find scrap points to sway the favour.  In the end, he stole 1109 from me and I stole 985 from him.  Dwarfs get the win in a very hard fought, back and forth, not a clue who won game.  No crazy dice swings, or weird "this never happens" events that you could make excuses from.  Just a perfect game of warhammer - just how it should be.  Absolutely a rematch in the future for these 2 long bittered enemies.

MVP: Frostheart.  Eventually died in combat, but got through 2 Cannons, 2 Bolt throwers and 2 Stone throwers - all pretty much with "some rune" or other on them. 
Not painted.

Lastly, was my High Elf army against Franks new Dark Elves.  Another great game, even though I bitched about the Pendant dreadlord on Pegasus.  Holy Jeebus, is that thing annoying.  And when I say annoying, I mean effective.  And when I say effective - I mean broken.  Things looked locked for Frank in the beginning when he had a couple units of mine either fleeing from panic, or diluted enough to make me nervous.  After a few turns, my tainted brothers were feeling the hurt, as I rallied to make the battle interesting. In the end though, dead models don't always equate to dead units and this is 8th edition.  Kill them all or lose.  He took 1700+ from me and I could only claim 500+ from Frank.  Big massacre win for the Piece of S***, stab you in the back Dark Elves.:D   Was actually a good game and a very good lesson of not giving up.  There were a few momemts in that game where we distinctly remember that rolling just one more 4+, or one more point on the Winds casting would have changed things for each of us in a profound way.  Play this game 10 times and not know who to gamble on.

  Thoughts on this game:  Dark Elves are still hella good.  I mean - really good.  My 2 complaints are; the unkillable Dreadlord, the Cold one Knights with base strength 4 and toughness 4 (compared to Dragon Princes) and the fact that DE get hatred rerolls against HE, while HE gets psychology rerolls from DE?! That's it?  All that means is we get a second chance to not run away from them beating us up!  Ok, that's 3 things, but whatever.  Was a fun game though.

MVP: Frostheart again. even though the poor thing eventually died to the dreadlord, it took Shadow Magic hexes to help kill it.  Love the cold bird!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on June 30, 2013, 07:23:41 PM
Played 3 games on Saturday.

My first game was against Carson.  He had his Vampires Counts and he shredded my Dwarfs.  If I remember correctly I conceded by turn 5 (or maybe it was turn 4? It was nasty).  Basically my Dwarfs had a bit of bad luck in rolls (ie. failed break test with my not-so-stubborn Hammerers & some poor rounds of rolling to hit - but these things happen).  But the real truth of the matter was that my Dwarfs just could not handle his two hordes of Grave Guard and Ghouls.  The ghouls in particular put out a crazy amount of attacks.  And I exacerbated the situation when I chose to resolve combat first involving my BSB.  My general challenged his general and promptly was smeared. The unit was run down and I lost my BSB.  No more leadership rerolls is never a good situation.  Anyways it was a major loss.  My first ever battle against Vampire Counts was a lesson in badness.  Big is bad & I wasn't big enough in this game.  I guess you die and learn.

The second game I played was with Don and his High Elves.  This was a really good game.  Of course there was luck and some what-if's (read "could have done that better") moments but in the end it was as Don reported with nothing too crazy happening.  My shooting was consistent but not hugely above average - for Dwarfs (Don doesn't really believe me  ;)).  The one thing that was a bit lucky was that none of my Misfires resulted in a destroyed war machine.  Don did mistakenly deploy his Dragon Princes too far out on the flank (he forgot it was an 8' table) and they definitely would have made a difference.  But by the time they could charge a war machine in turn 6, the Frostheart returned to the battlefield after an overrun move to block their way.  Also, he had nothing but poor Winds-of-Magic rolls throughout (though in turn 1 he burnt the crap out of my Warriors - youch!!).  One moment of infamy must be retold.  His White Lions did get run down by my Dwarfs who rolled double 2's to pursue - his roll of snake-eyes came one roll too late  :lol!! It was a really close game with some very interesting discussions as to how to handle different situations (all resolved amicably!).  A narrow win for me - my first ever against 'The Don'.

The last game was with Rob and his Empire.  I felt good/bad about this game.  Everything went good for me and I felt bad for Rob.  This was a game in which the Dwarfs, warmed up from the previous two matches, were ready to roll and, boy, did they roll.  Right from turn 1 things were rockin'.  Early in the first round of shooting I caused a panic test on his 40 Great Swords and even though his BSB was in the unit, he failed both Ld tests.  He rolled 9" to flee and had plenty of room behind the unit - except a detachment of Halberds was positioned there and caused the unit to bounce out by 1/4". OUCH!! With the nastiest unit of the Empire gone, things got worst when my bolt thrower skewered the flank of his knights killing 5, and even with the general's Ld, caused a failed panic test (they'd later recover but it meant that I could ignore that unit for a couple of turns).  And the battle was basically secured when one of the two cannons was also destroyed.  This was all in the top of turn 1! On turn 2 the 2nd cannon was dispatched now there was nothing that could threaten the Dwarf artillery.  Kudos to Rob for pressing on to the bitter end and not once complaining, moping, or letting his countenance show just how disappointed he was.  Truth was I was as stunned, maybe even more stunned, as him when the Great Swords decided that they weren't missing laundry day and packed it up to head back to the barracks.  Definitely a game were the fearsome reputation of Dwarf artillery was on full and dominate display.

Final Results:
Major Loss - vs. Carson's Vampire Counts (non-league game)
Minor Win - vs. Don's High Elves
Major Win - vs. Rob's Empire

Dwarfs were fully painted in all 3 engagements.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on July 02, 2013, 10:23:36 AM
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Player name  ---------------  army  -----------  *MW/W/L/ML/D - GP - Total Points
1 Chris S (Yolanka)        Ogres                        1/2/0/0/1 -     4           25           
2 Justin G (Gallager)        Orc                          1/0/1/1/2 -    5           30         
3 Robert P                        Empire                       1/0/1/7/1 -    10          40         
4 Don M  (squalie)     Chaostonnians                 8/4/4/3/0 -   19          50         
5 Barcley (Kingllama)        Daemons                    2/1/2/1/1 -    7           25       
6 Neil G (NSGossy)             Orc                           1/2/1/4/0 -    8           30           
7 Allan L                        Dwarfs                        3/3/0/2/1 -    9           51            
8 Dean D                         Lizardmen                   0/3/0/2/1 -    6           24         
9 Devin B                      Chaos Warriors              1/0/0/1/1 -     3           18         
10 Chris (dirtytrix)           Skaven                        0/1/1/0/0 -    2           10       
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on July 02, 2013, 10:44:18 AM
WOW, lots of games played right at the end to change some of the standing.  Allan managed to sneak past Don for top point spot! 

So to finish up the Ladder League there are three playoff games.  First place of the points (Allan) will play second place of Ladder (Justin).  First place of Ladder (Chris) will play second place of points (Don).  The winner of these games will have the final playoff game.  Keep in mind that in the unlikelihood of a draw, the tie breaker is predetermined by the rules on page 1.  Please arrange these games between yourselves and report back here.  Once the final game is played and the winner and runner-up is determined we will make the draw for the random prize winner.

JUST SENDING OUT a big THANKS to COMIC READER for helping supporting this league and providing a big boost to our prize amounts!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Dean Dodge on July 03, 2013, 12:56:24 PM
Hi- anyone want to play a game thursday afternoon/night- the 4th? I have an entire evening and the whole house as my family is out at the cabin while I work.

It can be any sort of game- 1000 to 10000 points.
Let me know.
Dean
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on July 04, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
I bolded names of the top ladder and points leaders above.  Note that Chris and Justin are at the top of the ladder... while Allan and Don (further down the ladder) have the most points.  Regular league play has ended, with the final "playoff" games remaining between these players.  Good Luck!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on July 15, 2013, 08:24:29 AM
Justin and I got our play-off game done this past Saturday.  We lined up his Orcs & Gobbos vs. my Dwarfs and let at 'er.  I have to say that every time (and I do mean every time) I play against a horde army I always have a sinking feeling.  There just never is enough stunties or war machines to go around (though I know others would beg to differ - especially about Dwarven war machines  ;) ).

We played battleline and basically Justin put his 2 big blocks of infantry (Big'Uns and Night Goblins) in the middle with his fast units on the edges (Spider Riders, Wolf Riders, Savage Orc Boar Boyz, Giant, Boar Chariots) all backed up by a smattering of Spear Chukkas & a Rock Lobba.

I countered with the core of my army in the middle as well (didn't hug the corner in this game!) - Hammerers and 2 units of Warriors.  A small contingent of Miners and a solid unit of Quarrellers rounded out my troops.  And of course the war machines were present as well.

Justin went first and promptly advanced on my positions.  In my turn I started shooting to whittle down the multiple threats to less multiple threats (I know, a stunningly unexpected tactical decision from a Dwarf player  :o ).  Shooting was effective but only moderately - some successes and some not.  And on came the horde.

It was clear from the beginning that the game would be decided by what Justin's Big'Uns would or wouldn't do.  So I prepared my lines and trusted in one cold hard truth - Dwarfs HATE Greenskins!  Sure enough the Big'Uns and Night Goblins charged into the Hammerers and gave them a severe mauling.  But they stubbornly took it knowing that it was their duty to absorb the greentide.  Then the 2 Warrior units counter-charged into the enemy's flanks and unleashed their devastating hatred-fueled attacks.  The combat was crushing and the Orcs & Goblins broke running hard to escape.  So it came down to a roll of the dice - would the short legs of the Dwarfs catch up to the enemy?  Needing to roll of 10, the Dwarfs rolled 11.  And basically that was that.  The battle hinged on a lucky high roll of the dice.  But really, is anyone surprised that it came down to this?  This is Warhammer after all.

So a Massive Victory was won by the Dwarfs and a measure revenge gained over their eternal foes.  Now they wait for one last opponent so that they can rest (for a time) from this season's fighting.

Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on July 15, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
Excellent battle report. Congrats on the win!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on July 18, 2013, 11:54:47 PM
Thanks for the post Allan.  As always it was entertaining to read. 

I got word that the next game, Chris vs Don, was suppose to happen today.  Unfortunately it was cancelled and now Squalie is off to Seattle for a spell.  This league will hopefully rap up shortly after He is back. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mark on August 01, 2013, 09:09:58 AM
How much is WYSIWYG enforced in Fantasy I am considering making a block of warriors without shields and am having one hell of a time figuring our how to model that without them looking like sissies.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on August 01, 2013, 10:54:25 AM
WYSIWYG isn't enforced too heavy in Fantasy, it isnt' like 40K. The rule in the book suggests that you should model your unit to look cool and "look" how your arming them.  (Not every spearmen needs to have a spear if it looks the unit has spears, for example).  The other condition to the rule is that you can't make the unit look like something it is not for the purposes of deception. You can look this up for exact text if you wish.

Not having shields on your riders would likely be ok.  I would suggest at the begining of the battle or during deployment you should say that you have shields.  In games, I personally would bring it up again at some point during the game.  Finally most people in the league abide by WYSIWYG but from time to time most have used something not modeled as it actually had.

Just a side note, I have put a shield on a character's back that looked ok. The other thing that I have done with some of my units is give half my guys shields.  When I play them with shields I make sure those guys in in the front rank.  It makes it look like everyone has shields.   

That is my  :2cents
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Mike.L on August 02, 2013, 01:25:14 PM
if i am not mistaken, the warriors of chaos box gives you the option for 2 hand weapons, or hand wep /shield. so use the 2 handweapon configuration, and if you want to just trim the weapon off the second hand. you would still be stuck with the odd posing of the "fist" but since the model dosent really allow for posing of the arms, thats the best i can suggest save for some massive trimming and pasting of something else.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on August 02, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
Fantasy is pretty lax about WYSIWYG, but most events require you to have at least 50% of a unit modelled with whatever weapon you have equipped.

  It makes no different to me as long as the army looks totally cool. :D
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on August 02, 2013, 07:58:51 PM
Squalie and Chris, I would like to rap up this league.   We need to play your game to advance to the last game.  Then the prizes for the winner, runner up and the 'door-prize' draw for everyone else.  Can you play it this weekend or next?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on August 02, 2013, 08:58:37 PM
I'll be back in town late Sunday night.  I can try for Monday holiday or evenings this coming week.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on August 02, 2013, 10:43:17 PM
Sent Don a PM about this too, but I'm free Monday night or Wednesday night (If Wednesday I'll postpone my game with Maeson in the Readers league).  After that I won't be free until at earliest the next Wednesday.  If Don's not free either of these times, I'll forfeit the match so he can move on to play Allan for the top spot.  (and then play him for fun in the future with the list I had written up anyway)
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on August 03, 2013, 06:01:02 AM
There isn't a need to forfeit.  I am just asking to you to play the game as soon as you can.   :thumb-up
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on August 07, 2013, 02:04:45 PM
Provided nothing comes up, Don and I will be playing today at 5ish.  One of us will post the results after.  I'll try to remember to take jot-notes for a battle report too.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Yolanka on August 11, 2013, 06:27:24 PM
Forgot to post right away, but Don and I played Wednesday night.  Game ended in victory for my ogres.  I'm out of town until Wednesday but will be ready for a finals match after that.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on August 11, 2013, 10:43:41 PM
Cool.  Thanks Chris and Don for getting that done!  Allan are you ready?
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Nathans on August 13, 2013, 03:03:13 PM
I would love to get another game in this month!!! ANYONE??
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on August 13, 2013, 08:16:17 PM
Frank and I were thinking on coming in for Saturday for a game.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on September 02, 2013, 11:49:28 AM
The awaited end of this league has come.  I got word that on Friday Allan and Yolanka finished the match for top spot.  Allan's Dwarfs was the victor over Chris's Ogres!  I am now hoping to head down to ComicReaders Downtown to make the final draw for the 'door prize'.  I will try to do this as soon as possible.  Then the gift certificates will be handed out.  Thanks everyone.  Once again special thanks goes out to ComicReaders.  Among other things: they collected the league fees, topped up the gift certificates and most importantly provided a place for us to come together and meet each other to play more games of Warhammer!
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: ChadBoudreau on September 02, 2013, 08:49:07 PM
Congratulations on the successful League, Robert, and everyone involved.

Robert, my vacation is over as of this Wednesday so I will be around the store at my usual hours if you want to come by and do the gift certs, etc.
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: Allan Luesink on September 03, 2013, 03:02:55 PM
Sorry I didn't post sooner ...

Final ReCap: Dwarfs vs Ogres

This past Saturday Chris and I faced off to play for top spot.  We set up the terrain and rolled for sides.  Chris chose the side with a hill on his right, a wall to his centre and building on his far left.  That was fine for me since that left me with a large hill in my right corner (guess what was going to be set up there  :confused ... ;) ).  There was also a building near the table centre but offset into the left half of the table (from my POV).

Chris brought 3 magic users: a level 4 with Gut Magic, a level 2 with Lore of Heavens, and a Firebelly.  I won't list all the spells but I will just mention that he had the spell that gave him Regeneration and Comet of Cassandora.  He didn't bring a Dispell Scroll ...

My deployment ended up being as follows (from R to L):  on the large corner hill were 2 stone throwers and a cannon.  Below and slightly to the left of the hill was a 2nd cannon. Next to this were warriors with great weapons, then Hammerers including my runelord general, BSB, and a runesmith.  Then I placed a bolt thrower, a unit of warriors with hand weapon/shields, and finally a second bolt thrower.

Chris deployed 2 widely space sabretusks opposite the Hill occupied by my war machines.  Across from my GW warriors he placed a unit of bull with hand weapon/shield which included his lvl 4 mage.  Next was a unit of leadbelchers across from my Hammerers. Continuing down the line he placed a Rhinox cannon, then a unit of Ironguts with great weapons and the Firebelly, a Rhinox scraplauncher, a second unit of leadbelchers with the lvl 2 mage, and finally way out on his right flank his Tyrant general (which seemed strange).

Lastly, since the sabretusks had a clear run at my hill I placed my crossbowmen scouts making sure that they were just snug enough to the rightside table edge that no cat could slip by.


Chris went first.

Turn 1
The sabretusks moved up tight to my crossbowmen, one on either end of their formation, hoping that at least one would get by on turn 2 and cause havoc with the war machines.  The regular bulls moved up to the wall in front of them and the first unit of leadbelchers joined them.  The Ironguts moved directly forward.  The Rhinox cannon moved into the gap now created between the leadbelchers  and Ironguts and turned towards my hill.  The scraplauncher did much the same but staying behind the GW bulls.  The 2nd unit of leadbelchers made for the building in the table centre and the Tyrant rolled out his Flying Arabian Carpet (oh, now I knew why he was so far to the Left) and flew 1/2 across the table towards the far left dwarfen bolt thrower.

He cast a Regeneration bubble on his regular bulls, leadbelchers, and Rhinox cannon.  I used a dispell rune to stop the Comet.

Then he started shooting ... and I almost puked!! First he shot his Rhinox cannon aiming for my cannon in front of the Hill.  To my extreme discomfort I realized that his shot was set up to hit my first cannon and then cascade into my second one as well. The cannonball landed just in front of cannon 1 and then bounce 10".  A perfect shot.  I was never so thankful that I had had the foresight to have my Master Engineer entrench cannon 1.  The cannonball was stopped but destroyed the entrenchment.  Next the scraplauncher lobbed a direct hit on my Hammerers and I was told its Str3 hit allowed for NO armour saves and had Killingblow! Promptly my BSB and Runesmith failed their 'Look-out-sir' rolls.  The runesmith was wounded and certainly doomed until I remembered that the Hammerers carried a runic ward save of 5+ against shooting.  The ward save was made! Whew! But then came the Leadbelchers.  They put out an absolute INSANE amount of shots! And he had TWO big units of them.  Hallelujah for T4, heavy armour w/ shields, and the 5+ ward save.  I had some damage but nothing significant.

My turn.  My three centre units all backed up to create shooting lanes.  Next shooting. Priority 1: the crossbowmen shot and killed the sabretusk threatening run pass them on their left.  The 2nd sabretusk would now have to move across the face of the crossbowmen or charge them in the flank (& the crossbowmen would be steadfast). Priority 2: Kill that Rhinox cannon!!! My 1st cannon rolled a misfire to bounce and again with a runic reroll. Crap.  Next a stone thrower aimed at it and went off target onto the leadbelchers.  I debated keeping that roll but decided to use its runic reroll and got a hit. I wounded the cannon and since this stone thrower had a flaming attack his regen was cancelled out.  But I only rolled 1 wound. Okay, 2nd cannon. It hit, it wounded, and ... 3 more wounds.  Still one wound to go. Last stone thrower, hit, wound, and the cannon was done.  But that was 4 war machines to kill just one unit and it didn't help my anxiety since both my bolt throwers missed the onrushing Tyrant.

Turn 2
Chris decided to charge his remaining sabretusk into that crossbowmen's flank.  The Tyrant charged my far left bolt thrower.  The Ironguts failed a charge and wheeled and moved towards the targeted bolt thrower that was positioned between the Hammerers and regular dwarf warriors.  The regular bulls left the wall to advance on the GW warriors.  The 1st unit of leadbelchers remained in their shooting position behind the wall while the 2nd entered the 2-story house.  The Tyrant killed all but one of the bolt thrower crew and then uncharacteristically the remaining dwarf crewman failed his stubborn leadership test allowing the ogre general to attempt to overrun into the regular warriors flank.  But he failed the overrun (I think he rolled 4 but needed 5), leaving him in the open.  This was actually better for me.  The sabretusk and crossbowmen failed to wound each other but the dwarfs won the combat on the strength of have a musician to break the draw and the cat promptly ran off the table.  The leadbelchers blasted away but rolled poorly and the scraplauncher missed.  Oh, and Chris forgot his magic phase ... ouch.

The leadbelchers were just too scary so I decided to it was time to hug-an-ogre.  My GW warriors charged the regular bulls and the crossbowmen also charged the same enemy unit but in their flank.  Both just made their charge rolls.  The regular warrior reformed to face the Tyrant.  The runelord joined them leaving the Hammerers and then the Hammerers pivoted to face the oncoming Ironguts.

Next was my shooting phase and a Shot of Infamy.  The scraplauncher needed to be dealt with but my best cannon could only see the Ironguts that were blocking its line-of-sight.  But if I were to be lucky I might be able to aim at the foot of the ogre unit and bounce the cannonball pass it and into the ogre warmarchine.  Shot roll: 2 on Artillery dice and into the front rank of Ironguts (...ugghh). Bounce roll: 10 - into the launcher. So far, so good.  But the ogres could still stop the cannonball.  First roll to wound - successful. Number of D6 wounds? Enough to kill one ogre (don't remember the actual roll).  Second roll to wound - successful.  Number of D6 wounds? Enough; another dead ogre.  Now onto the scraplauncher.  Roll to wound - successful. Number of D6 wounds? 5.  Total wounds of the model? 5.  WOW!!  What an incredible string of dice rolls (and without any rerolls)!!

The remaining shots were directed at the Tyrant. The 1st stone thrower hit. Chris had a charm shield that negated the first hit of the game on a 2+.  He rolled 1.  To wound I rolled .... 1. Oh, well. Dice will do that.  The next stone thrower hit as well, but this one wounded. The Tyrant failed his 4+ ward. 3 wounds taken (he had a total of 5).  And the last cannon ... missed.  For the combat phase, the fighting was bloody but with 2 units of GW armed dwarfs against one unit of ogres it was a dwarfen win and the ogres broke.  Both dwarf units gave chase, but dwarfs are slow.

Turn 3
Chris charged his Tyrant into my regular warriors who were now bolstered by the presence of the dwarf general.  The Ironguts charged the last bolt thrower.  The magic phase was abysmal - I believe Chris rolled 3 power dice, failed to channel, and I dispelled his attempt at the Comet.  The regular bulls rallied but were so boxed in by pursuing dwarf units that they could not adopt a better formation to avoid a flank charge the next turn.  The 1st leadbelchers tore into the GW warriors killing 8 models but the dwarfs resolutely passed their panic test.  The 2nd leadbelchers didn't have the range to the warriors and had to settle on softening up the hard-to-kill Hammerers.  Combat saw a challenge issued and accepted.  However, the Tryrant and his 6 attacks could not do any damage to the runelord and the runelord with his 2 attacks did no better.  The dwarfs won the combat on static resolution (2 ranks and a banner) but the Tyrant held.  The Ironguts mauled the bolt thrower and overran into the Hammerers.

My turn found me charging the regular bulls again with both the GW warriors and GW crossbowmen. Shooting had me miss with both a cannon and stone thrower and then the other two marginally wounding the 1st leadbelcher unit.  In close combat The Challenge continued with both generals whiffing and the Tyrant again passing his break test.  Again the warriors and crossbowmen broke the bulls but again failed to catch them. This time the bulls fled through the leadbelchers. Finally the Ironguts and Hammerers just let each other have it!! Models were dropping left, right, and centre on both sides.  The Hammerers lost but passed their stubborn test on the BSB's reroll.

Turn 4
Chris decided to charge his 1st leadbelchers into the GW warriors.  Behind them the bulls rallied.  And the 2nd unit of leadbelchers, realizing that their building was a potential deathtrap now that the dwarf war machines would be targeting them, decided to make haste and exit towards that raging combat between the Ironguts and Hammerers.
The winds of magic rolled decently. Chris attempted 3 spells and I used all my dispel dice on the first two preventing them from being cast.  With his third spell Chris again tried to cast Comet of Casandora but I stopped it using another runic dispel.
In close combat the leadbelchers rolled poorly and the dwarfs rolled well.  The ogre unit broke and fled through the now rallied bulls.  The dwarf warriors, now only 5 remaining, decided not pursue as it was thought best to stay away from those rallied bulls.  The Hammerers and Ironguts smashed each other some more. All the Hammerers perished and just the BSB and runesmith remained of the unit.  But the Ironguts were mauled enough that they lost the combat. Still they made their break test on the nearby Tyrants Ld.  In The Challenge, whiffs all around again.  However, this time the ogre general failed his break test and fled.  However, the runelord saw that his two characters were in desperate need of assistance so rather than pursue, he and his unit reformed in order to charge the Ironguts' flank.  The war machines would have to deal with the ogre general.

On my turn, the Ironguts were charged in the flank by the general and his warriors.  The characters (runelord and BSB) were too much for the last two ogre models and the unit was wiped out.  Now the warriors reformed to face the 2nd unit of leadbelchers and the BSB and runesmith stayed put near the rear of the warrior unit. My shooting phase was so-so.  I believe I shot at the fleeing unit of leadbelchers.  I do know that my shots at the Tyrant either missed or were discount to a 4+ ward save.

Turn 5
The game was quickly coming to a conclusion.  So far I’d gained points for killing the two rhinox war machines, a unit of Ironguts (with the Firebelly), and a couple piddinkly sabretusks.  Chris had captured points by killing my two bolt throwers and Hammerers.  He also had a real likelihood of eliminating the depleted GW warriors and crossbowmen.
Chris declared a charge on the GW warriors with his now rallied bulls.  However, to try and preserve points I had them flee through and behind the crossbowmen.  Instead the crossbowmen ended up taking the charge.  The Tyrant was successful to rally but the first unit of leadbelchers were not.  An average roll for magic saw Chris get a Strength buff to his bulls in combat with the crossbowmen.  I did throw some dispel dice at this spell but it got through.  Then one more attempt at the Comet.  But I had made sure to hold onto most of my dice for this attempt and I dispelled it.  For his shooting his 2nd unit of leadbelchers let it my BSB and runesmith have it (they were now on their own).  He rolled something like 20+ hits.  A number were allocated to the nearby dwarf warriors (the characters were with 3” for a ‘Look-out-sir’ save) but 6 shots ended up on my BSB and 9 on the runesmith.  In the end a couple of warriors were killed and one wound was taken by the runesmith thanks to dwarfen toughness and armour. The combat with the crossbowmen and bulls saw the remaining crossbowmen killed to a man but the bulls were unable to follow up their success and overrun into the fleeing GW warriors.

I started my turn be declaring a charge with both my general and his warriors and also the 2 lone characters against the 2nd unit of leadbelchers.  After seeing his first leadbelcher  unit fair poorly earlier in combat, he decided to flee rather than risk a fight.  Unfortunately he did not run far enough and warriors were just able to catch them and wipe them out.  The GW warriors rallied and the shooting resumed.  This time the Tyrant failed his ward save and a stone thrower did him in.  The remaining war machines turned on the bulls and mauled them severely killing all but the champion (also dead was the lvl 4 mage).

And at that we called the game.

Redux
From my POV, the models and units that Chris brought performed quite well.  In the end they were just out-performed by the dwarfs.  In my mind, his MVPs were his 2 units of leadbelchers.  Those units put out an incredible, mind-boggling amount of shots.  If I hadn’t brought shields and the 5+ ward save vs. shooting (I often don’t bring these two upgrades), my Hammerers would have been absolutely decimated in turn 1 and eliminated by turn 2.  His Ironguts were beasts and also did well but were matched up against my Hammerers who were their equals in combat.  His bulls were rugged and tough but unfortunately they got hung up early in an unequal fight against 2 units and as a result couldn’t make any headway.  We talked about his decision to not bring a BSB, something that I questioned.  In my mind, if my army has any life in it, I ALWAYS bring a BSB.  He could have used some rerolls for break tests.  I also felt that his Tyrant would have been better off boosting a unit rather than on his own.  Unable to join a unit (due to the flying carpet) it was likely that a war machine would eventually finish him off, which is what happened.
From my army the MVPs definitely were the cannons and stone throwers, especially the cannon that pulled off the Shot of Infamy.  These war machines were able to quickly eliminate the two most serious threats to the dwarf army - the Rhinox scraplauncher and Rhinox cannon - and then, with nothing to seriously threaten them, go about pounding the remaining ogre units.  A close second in the MVP voting were the crossbowmen.  They eliminated the 2 sabretusks that would have cause havoc on my war machines and then they were able to completely tie up the left flank of Chris’s army (with the help of the warriors) allowing the war machines to be unmolested.  The crossbowmen’s flank charge in turn two completely took the wind out of the ogres advance.

Key moments in the game:
Thanks for the game Chris.  It was challenging throughout.  You made me think hard and make careful decisions, always a sign of a good, enjoyable game.  Only right at the end did it all come to a screeching conclusion (as so often happens in Warhammer). 

So for now I retire my Dwarfs and focus on learning the way of the High Elves ..... I already miss my cannons.....



Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on September 04, 2013, 10:22:21 AM
Thanks Allan for the detailed summary of the game.  I read throw it closely and it was detailed enough that I could draw up a map to follow along!  Sounds like it was a close game, the magic phase in Turn 2 could have made a difference.  It is full of what-ifs!  What if the Bulls got a regenerate spell would they have broke to the dual combo charge that included those Dwarf Crossbow?  What if you had to use your runic dispel in Turn 2 rather then dispelling the comet in the later turns.  Oh well?!  That is warhammer!  Hard to get a perfect played game. 

I am heading down to Readers right now.  I have the names of all the participents and will make a draw for the door prize.  I will update to the winner of the door prize this afternoon. 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: RobertP on September 04, 2013, 01:34:21 PM
Chad and I made the draw for the door prize.  All names where included, verified by Chad, of all participants that didn't win second or first.  Chad pulled the name.  The door prize winner is Dean Dodge!  Congratulations Dean.  Since he moved to Saskatoon I will contact him to see how we can handle this.  Dean's door prize was $30 gift certificate to ComicReaders.  As stated above, Chris Smith won second place overall.  He is rewarded a $30 gift certificate to ComicReaders.  Allan Luesink won 1st place overall and earns a $40 gift certificate.  These gift certificates can be used to buy anything that ComicReaders sells, can't be combined with the Games Workshop Certificates (the ones given out in the other Wh leagues), and can be used in conjunction with money to buy a more expensive purchase.  Certificates can be picked up at the store.

The $5 league fees and the 10 players contributed $50 to the certificates.  ComicReaders topped up the player contribution by 100%.  Thanks everyone for playing and thanks again to ComicReaders for their support! 
Title: Re: Warhammer Fantasy Ladder League (spring, 2013)
Post by: squalie on September 04, 2013, 08:55:20 PM
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and can be used in conjunction with money to buy a more expensive purchase.

  This makes me crazy happy.  Hats off to Comic Readers for the change.  Well done Chad!